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> The world might be a better place if everyone stole and remixed IP Until it becomes unprofitable to invest in innovation

by blago 7y ago

nosianu 7y ago
You may be mistaken about the source of a lot of "deep innovation". I know I was, when I was younger. Here is a nice example that helped shatter some of the myths I myself believed, in this case it was that Silicon Valley was the product of free enterprise: https://youtu.be/ZTC_RxWN_xo https://youtu.be/ZTC_RxWN_xo (Secret History of Silicon Valley - Computer History Museum, Mountain View) In reality capitalism only took over after massive (debt based!) spending by (US) government during WWII. The risky stuff doesn't happen in companies. Even things like e-cars and rockets, see Elon Musk and his companies as the most prominent examples, didn't invent any of the basics. They just take well-established concepts. It's not either or, it's specialization: The low-probability-of-success stuff for larger society (government mostly, at this point), and when there is something to build on the more focused business people and entrepreneurs who want to see an ROI are better at executing from there on. But, back to the comment you replied to, basic research, the risky stuff, is better off being open and available.
- blago 7y ago
  Define "deep innovation". Are you saying that private enterprise is only capable of "shallow innovation"? If so, do you think that the world will do just fine if we removed large financial rewards for "shallow innovation" like the smartphone, new drugs, medical devices, software, etc?
jazzyjackson 7y ago
innovation comes from graduate students everyone building out a new technology borrowed ideas freely without compensating the real innovators (of course, implementation can be the more difficult piece) As long as governments subsidize public universities and research departments, there will exist a font of innovation
- blago 7y ago
  > innovation comes from graduate students This is such a sweeping statement it's just false > everyone building out a new technology borrowed ideas freely without compensating the real innovators (of course, implementation can be the more difficult piece) Implementation is innovation too > As long as governments subsidize public universities and research departments, there will exist a font of innovation We need both

> The world might be a better place if everyone stole and remixed IP Until it becomes unprofitable to invest in innovation

by blago 7y ago

> The world might be a better place if everyone stole and remixed IP Until it becomes unprofitable to invest in innovation

nosianu 7y ago

You may be mistaken about the source of a lot of "deep innovation". I know I was, when I was younger. Here is a nice example that helped shatter some of the myths I myself believed, in this case it was that Silicon Valley was the product of free enterprise: https://youtu.be/ZTC_RxWN_xo https://youtu.be/ZTC_RxWN_xo (Secret History of Silicon Valley - Computer History Museum, Mountain View) In reality capitalism only took over after massive (debt based!) spending by (US) government during WWII. The risky stuff doesn't happen in companies. Even things like e-cars and rockets, see Elon Musk and his companies as the most prominent examples, didn't invent any of the basics. They just take well-established concepts. It's not either or, it's specialization: The low-probability-of-success stuff for larger society (government mostly, at this point), and when there is something to build on the more focused business people and entrepreneurs who want to see an ROI are better at executing from there on. But, back to the comment you replied to, basic research, the risky stuff, is better off being open and available.

blago 7y ago
Define "deep innovation". Are you saying that private enterprise is only capable of "shallow innovation"? If so, do you think that the world will do just fine if we removed large financial rewards for "shallow innovation" like the smartphone, new drugs, medical devices, software, etc?

jazzyjackson 7y ago

innovation comes from graduate students everyone building out a new technology borrowed ideas freely without compensating the real innovators (of course, implementation can be the more difficult piece) As long as governments subsidize public universities and research departments, there will exist a font of innovation

blago 7y ago
> innovation comes from graduate students This is such a sweeping statement it's just false > everyone building out a new technology borrowed ideas freely without compensating the real innovators (of course, implementation can be the more difficult piece) Implementation is innovation too > As long as governments subsidize public universities and research departments, there will exist a font of innovation We need both