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They aren't stopping other countries from doing the same yet. And the reason for that is that they are still the underdog so it makes sense to turn a blind eye

by Teever 7y ago

They aren't stopping other countries from doing the same yet. And the reason for that is that they are still the underdog so it makes sense to turn a blind eye to their domestic industries violating American IP laws. Just like it makes sense for the US to enact and attempt to enforce restrictive IP laws on a global scale. Make no mistake once China ascends they will enforce their will on the world just like the US has done and it will be ugly. Say goodbye to democracy. Say goodbye to due process. Say hello to coercive IP law. Say hello to unimaginably restrictive DRM and surveillance.

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infinity0 7y ago
This is the type of comment that really indicates an immensely ignorant oversimplified misunderstanding of the complexity of the Chinese political situation. China has overthrown harsh rulers many more times than the US has, even taking into account the latter's short and young history. The last time was in 1912, and very plausibly arguably 1949 too. (The Nationalists were pretty bad, objectively speaking.)
- PavlovsCat 7y ago
  I wanted to reply, it said comment deleted, I reload the page, there it is again, 0 minutes ago. Nice one deleting your comment because it garnered downvotes, just to post the exact same comment again. "the complexity of the Chinese political situation" = "China has overthrown harsh rulers many more times than the US has" is itself a simplification. https://vimeo.com/44078865 https://vimeo.com/44078865 So is this video, it's also a simplification, but more importantly, it's one of several lines in the sand: China aside, I don't want that where I live. Period. Western companies have already started to censor themselves to not offend China, and this must stop.
  - infinity0 7y ago
    Yup, I'm not about to be censored by people downvoting my comments without explanation. I think the downvoting mechanic on HN is stupid. Of course what I said is an oversimplification. It's meant to directly make you question your deep underlying assumptions, and your own oversimplifications. The government has a lot of power on paper both now and historically. Yet despite this, rebellions have still occurred regularly, and this core central power did not historically cause China to go and colonise other countries committing atrocities there. Perhaps something is missing from your own US-centric legalist analysis?
    - PavlovsCat 7y ago
      Fair enough, FWIW I didn't even downvote you, I also prefer discussion. > It's meant to directly make you question your deep underlying assumptions "Deep underlying" being code for being made up by you on the spot? > The government has a lot of power on paper both now and historically. Yet despite this, rebellions have still occurred regularly The last time 1949? So, not since modern, industrialized totalitarianism took hold. That's like talking about cancer by describing the life of a person before contracting cancer. > this core central power did not historically cause China to go and colonise other countries committing atrocities there They already are causing Western media to censor themselves even on sites blocked in China. Mercedes Benz apologized three times for even quoting the Dalai Lama, just an inspirational quote. For me, that's three times too many. And just like I'm not over the Iraq war being a war of aggression, I will not forget or forgive this, either. You do you. > your own US-centric legalist analysis? Again you assumptions about my assumptions. If anything, being German, my "analysis" (of which you quote nothing, don't engage with at all) is Nazi-based.
      - infinity0 7y ago
        > They already are causing Western media to censor themselves even on sites blocked in China. This isn't on the same scale as "enforce their will on the world", and nowhere near US-levels of "enforce their will". (Not justifying this sort of action however.) My point is you and the earlier poster are happy to extrapolate small events into big ones in a way that doesn't match the historical record. The officials of the Chinese government are not stupid and can't go too far from public opinion, which is generally more principled that you (and other US-centric "analysers") give them credit for, being too focused on the laws and ignoring many "facts on the ground". (Not implying rule-of-law is a bad thing.) > being German, Germany has been under US influence since 1945, so my saying your analysis is US-centric is not too far off the mark. There are differences and also similarities.
jazzyjackson 7y ago
America is the first mover on DRM, and there is no American company that will let me pay for a movie and download an MP4 -- I have to be logged in and stream it (some services let you download it but then disable playing after 48 hours) Is there a similar situation in China? My sense was that the culture was much less restrictive -- all is fair, it's not worth the time and money to sue someone else into oblivion.

by Teever 7y ago

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infinity0 7y ago

This is the type of comment that really indicates an immensely ignorant oversimplified misunderstanding of the complexity of the Chinese political situation. China has overthrown harsh rulers many more times than the US has, even taking into account the latter's short and young history. The last time was in 1912, and very plausibly arguably 1949 too. (The Nationalists were pretty bad, objectively speaking.)

PavlovsCat 7y ago
I wanted to reply, it said comment deleted, I reload the page, there it is again, 0 minutes ago. Nice one deleting your comment because it garnered downvotes, just to post the exact same comment again. "the complexity of the Chinese political situation" = "China has overthrown harsh rulers many more times than the US has" is itself a simplification. https://vimeo.com/44078865 https://vimeo.com/44078865 So is this video, it's also a simplification, but more importantly, it's one of several lines in the sand: China aside, I don't want that where I live. Period. Western companies have already started to censor themselves to not offend China, and this must stop.
- infinity0 7y ago
  Yup, I'm not about to be censored by people downvoting my comments without explanation. I think the downvoting mechanic on HN is stupid. Of course what I said is an oversimplification. It's meant to directly make you question your deep underlying assumptions, and your own oversimplifications. The government has a lot of power on paper both now and historically. Yet despite this, rebellions have still occurred regularly, and this core central power did not historically cause China to go and colonise other countries committing atrocities there. Perhaps something is missing from your own US-centric legalist analysis?
  - PavlovsCat 7y ago
    Fair enough, FWIW I didn't even downvote you, I also prefer discussion. > It's meant to directly make you question your deep underlying assumptions "Deep underlying" being code for being made up by you on the spot? > The government has a lot of power on paper both now and historically. Yet despite this, rebellions have still occurred regularly The last time 1949? So, not since modern, industrialized totalitarianism took hold. That's like talking about cancer by describing the life of a person before contracting cancer. > this core central power did not historically cause China to go and colonise other countries committing atrocities there They already are causing Western media to censor themselves even on sites blocked in China. Mercedes Benz apologized three times for even quoting the Dalai Lama, just an inspirational quote. For me, that's three times too many. And just like I'm not over the Iraq war being a war of aggression, I will not forget or forgive this, either. You do you. > your own US-centric legalist analysis? Again you assumptions about my assumptions. If anything, being German, my "analysis" (of which you quote nothing, don't engage with at all) is Nazi-based.
    - infinity0 7y ago
      > They already are causing Western media to censor themselves even on sites blocked in China. This isn't on the same scale as "enforce their will on the world", and nowhere near US-levels of "enforce their will". (Not justifying this sort of action however.) My point is you and the earlier poster are happy to extrapolate small events into big ones in a way that doesn't match the historical record. The officials of the Chinese government are not stupid and can't go too far from public opinion, which is generally more principled that you (and other US-centric "analysers") give them credit for, being too focused on the laws and ignoring many "facts on the ground". (Not implying rule-of-law is a bad thing.) > being German, Germany has been under US influence since 1945, so my saying your analysis is US-centric is not too far off the mark. There are differences and also similarities.

jazzyjackson 7y ago

America is the first mover on DRM, and there is no American company that will let me pay for a movie and download an MP4 -- I have to be logged in and stream it (some services let you download it but then disable playing after 48 hours) Is there a similar situation in China? My sense was that the culture was much less restrictive -- all is fair, it's not worth the time and money to sue someone else into oblivion.