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It will be interesting how the unintended consequences roll out with this. With Chinese companies already having Google free software/service stacks in China,
by mrkstu 7y ago
It will be interesting how the unintended consequences roll out with this.
With Chinese companies already having Google free software/service stacks in China, being able to get adoption of those stacks internationally may allow the full bifurcation of the Android ecosystem, essentially eviscerating Google’s monopoly.
Long term it could be a turning point to deflating American dominance of the most important market in the modern world.
- awt 7y agoI think it would be great if China accomplished some major software and hardware innovations.
- hugh4life 7y agoThing is, would you trust an appstore infrastructure based in China? If they had a more trustworthy 3rd party country like South Korea then they'd have a better shot. I kind of wish they'd embrace something like Firefox OS.
- lugg 7y ago> Would you trust appstore infrastructure in China? No less than how much I trust the five eyes we have right now. The only thing preventing me from using Chinese based stuff is the language barrier. And Firefox OS, why would they embrace something nobody else has?
- discordance 7y agoHow about China blocking the sale of Apple products... possible/probable?
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- TomMarius 7y agoWasn't that the case up until just a few years ago?
- adinobro 7y agoThe government doesn't need to. The Chinese population will decide if they want to drop Apple themselves. They already have basically stopped buying Samsung after the S7 issue and the US military base. The free market in action...
- arusahni 7y agoS7? Did you mean Note 7?
- adinobro 7y agoYep. http://fortune.com/2016/09/16/samsung-galaxy-recall-china/ http://fortune.com/2016/09/16/samsung-galaxy-recall-china/ The battery was different but had a similar problem - https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/article/2026800/samsung-faces-tarnished-brand-and-us630m-lost-sales-opportunity https://www.scmp.com/tech/enterprises/article/2026800/samsun...
- nullwasamistake 7y agoThe Chinese government already does. The state controlled media puts out massive amounts of propaganda railing foreign firms. The same could be said for the US in the case of Hauwei but China is far worse on this front.
- yogthos 7y agoJust like oligarchy controlled media puts out massive amount of propaganda here.
- nullwasamistake 7y agoIt does. But here you're free to speak your mind and sources with all sorts of opinions are available. In China, the state supported line is the only opinion you'll find. Information not favorable to the party is widely suppressed
- luckydata 7y agoMore likely that I will sprout wings and learn to fly. China producing a global standard is just not going to happen.
- Robelius 7y agoA few decades ago, China becoming a global superpower just was not going to happen.
- fatjokes 7y agoNever say never. A significant amount of the developing world has already embraced Huawei's network equipment. Beyond that, I think Huawei is the #3 mobile phone seller in Europe (behind Apple and Samsung) and #2 in Canada.
- peteretep 7y agoI’ve no actual data, other than to note that “Japanese-made” went from being a sign of shoddiness to a sign of quality in a few decades.
- luckydata 7y agoIf you look at the comment I replied to, they were talking about replacing the Apple store with some China-grown service. It's not happening, China is not in any way culturally compatible with the rest of the world enough to pull that off, just like Japan never managed to do that (and they were WAY more westernized than China is now). Chinese businesses just fundamentally don't understand what western cultures want, they can just build cheap gadgets. For the next let's call it 35 years it's simply not going to happen.
- ulfw 7y agoSpeaking of wings, try to buy a competitive western consumer drone. Good luck on that. GoPro tried and failed miserably. The DJIs and Yuneecs etc of the world have already set the standard here.
- rsync 7y ago"Long term it could be a turning point to deflating American dominance of the most important market in the modern world." The most important market in the modern world is oil and gas. Global digital ad spending (which is what these software/service stacks are proxies for) will be $327B in 2019. Compare this to $360B for a single oil producer, Saudi Aramco, in 2018. Note that none of the FAANGs are even in the top 10 of this list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_revenue https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_r... ... and only 2 are in the top 20. And google is not on the list at all. 5 of those top 10 are oil and gas (and it would be 6 if Saudi Aramco were listed).
- golfer 7y agoFAANG comes out on top if you reorder that list by market cap instead of revenue.
- adrianN 7y agoOil and gas will shrink dramatically over the next few decades, while there are still many people that can't afford fancy technology yet.
- lenkite 7y agoUnlikely. There is ever-increasing year-on-year demand for plastic which a product of the Oil and Gas industry. Above 400 million metric of plastic produced every year - and this is growing. Aramco (which parent's comment refers to) just spent 69 billion in taking the majority take in Sabic.
- sonnyblarney 7y agoMapping Huawei to a sudden Chinese dominance in some other area, and then to international dominance is taking several magic leaps in logic. Also, there's nothing stopping China - or anyone else - from doing as they please with Android 'stack', hint: it's not the valuable thing.
- nullwasamistake 7y agoIt will split the internet, not so sure about hardware because there's less propaganda value in that. In many ways the internet split is already done, there's hardly any overlap between the Chinese and US web. Probably because most of the non-chinese web is blocked in China. Theoretically, this makes Chinese web companies less competitive. Many US companies are dominant worldwide, but the majority of popular Chinese tech companies are only popular in their captive market. IMO it's similar to the captive markets of the Soviet Bloc. Strong protectionism and state sponsoring like China has done, and the Soviet Union did historically created companies that weren't globally competitive. The day the iron curtain fell, treasured trabants were abandoned on the side of the road. Will history repeats itself? Who knows, but the situation is very similar. China produces a lot of good products, probably moreso than the USSR at it's peak. But China also engages in many practices that eventually made Soviet products inferior.
- lambdasquirrel 7y agoIf you keep the training wheels on your economy forever it would certainly make it uncompetitive. The U.S. engaged in such practices too, and continues to do so in areas like pickup trucks. At the end of the day, you can’t really fudge leadership. The U.S. has been fudging leadership for some time. Now it’s looking for someone to blame. It’s looking for a Plaza Accords 2.0. But China is not Japan, geopolitically.