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I don't believe this is the consequence of Trump being racist.

by bvdba 7y ago

deertick1 7y ago
I don't believe trump is racist.
- krapp 7y ago
  There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that he is[0,1], going back to lawsuits over housing discrimination in the 1970s, to his comments about wanting more immigrants from Norway rather than "shithole countries" in Africa, and of course equivocating on Charlottesville. Granted, he hasn't burned a cross on the White House lawn, but it's difficult to look at his statements and the unprecedented (and well documented) support his campaign had from racists and not conclude he probably is racist beyond a reasonable doubt. [0]https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
  - m0zg 7y ago
    Charlottesville hoax has been debunked again and again, including by MSM outlets themselves. Read what he actually said: https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-fun...
    - krapp 7y ago
      Ok fair enough. That still leaves the rest of the mountain of evidence. Is every quote and statement ever made by and about Trump also a hoax? Even the ones from prior to his presidency?
      - m0zg 7y ago
        Prior to his presidency here's how things were "racism" wise: https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+with+sharpton&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfqIfB757iAhXEMnwKHV0kDYUQ_AUIDigB&biw=2048&bih=1070 https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+with+sharpton&newwindo.... Dude even had a black girflriend for a couple of years: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/politics/trump-blacks-african-americans-girlfriend-charlottesville.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/politics/trump-blacks-... As to "mountains of evidence", up until you've read the article I linked, you thought there was "mountain of evidence" about Charlottesville, too. Heck, you probably still think that, this particular bit of fake news has been drilled into everyone's skulls relentlessly for over a year. What makes you think that other "evidence" is not of the same quality?
        krapp 7y ago
        One article from which that first picture was taken[0] suggests other than the narrative you want to present: Today, the two are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. In the interview last December, Trump said on Fox that Sharpton “is a guy who I don’t believe really believes what he’s saying.” And Sharpton has used his MSNBC and radio shows to criticize Trump, arguing that his stances on Barack Obama’s birth certificate and the Central Park Five were racist. And here's another one[1] where Al Sharpton out and out calls Trump a racist. So that leaves the fact that he one dated a black woman as your evidence to disprove everything else? H.P. Lovecraft was a racist and virulent antisemite, and yet he still married a Jewish woman. Racists are not racist about everything, all the time, like cartoon characters, and where people like Trump are concerned, obviously class status also has an effect on the way race is viewed. Not terribly convincing. [0]https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/09/trumps-pal-al-sharpton/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/09/trumps-pal-al-sharpto... [1]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/al-sharpton-donald-trump-racist_n_5cc981aee4b0913d078b02fd https://www.huffpost.com/entry/al-sharpton-donald-trump-raci... >Heck, you probably still think that, this particular bit of fake news has been drilled into everyone's skulls relentlessly for over a year. Now you're resorting to personal attacks, so this conversation is over.
        7y ago

I don't believe this is the consequence of Trump being racist.

by bvdba 7y ago

I don't believe this is the consequence of Trump being racist.

deertick1 7y ago

I don't believe trump is racist.

krapp 7y ago
There is a lot of circumstantial evidence to suggest that he is[0,1], going back to lawsuits over housing discrimination in the 1970s, to his comments about wanting more immigrants from Norway rather than "shithole countries" in Africa, and of course equivocating on Charlottesville. Granted, he hasn't burned a cross on the White House lawn, but it's difficult to look at his statements and the unprecedented (and well documented) support his campaign had from racists and not conclude he probably is racist beyond a reasonable doubt. [0]https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-r... [1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_views_of_Donald_Trump
- m0zg 7y ago
  Charlottesville hoax has been debunked again and again, including by MSM outlets themselves. Read what he actually said: https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-funnel/ https://blog.dilbert.com/2019/04/30/the-fine-people-hoax-fun...
  - krapp 7y ago
    Ok fair enough. That still leaves the rest of the mountain of evidence. Is every quote and statement ever made by and about Trump also a hoax? Even the ones from prior to his presidency?
    - m0zg 7y ago
      Prior to his presidency here's how things were "racism" wise: https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+with+sharpton&newwindow=1&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjfqIfB757iAhXEMnwKHV0kDYUQ_AUIDigB&biw=2048&bih=1070 https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+with+sharpton&newwindo.... Dude even had a black girflriend for a couple of years: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/politics/trump-blacks-african-americans-girlfriend-charlottesville.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/17/us/politics/trump-blacks-... As to "mountains of evidence", up until you've read the article I linked, you thought there was "mountain of evidence" about Charlottesville, too. Heck, you probably still think that, this particular bit of fake news has been drilled into everyone's skulls relentlessly for over a year. What makes you think that other "evidence" is not of the same quality?
      - krapp 7y ago
        One article from which that first picture was taken[0] suggests other than the narrative you want to present: Today, the two are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. In the interview last December, Trump said on Fox that Sharpton “is a guy who I don’t believe really believes what he’s saying.” And Sharpton has used his MSNBC and radio shows to criticize Trump, arguing that his stances on Barack Obama’s birth certificate and the Central Park Five were racist. And here's another one[1] where Al Sharpton out and out calls Trump a racist. So that leaves the fact that he one dated a black woman as your evidence to disprove everything else? H.P. Lovecraft was a racist and virulent antisemite, and yet he still married a Jewish woman. Racists are not racist about everything, all the time, like cartoon characters, and where people like Trump are concerned, obviously class status also has an effect on the way race is viewed. Not terribly convincing. [0]https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/09/trumps-pal-al-sharpton/ https://www.nationalreview.com/2015/09/trumps-pal-al-sharpto... [1]https://www.huffpost.com/entry/al-sharpton-donald-trump-racist_n_5cc981aee4b0913d078b02fd https://www.huffpost.com/entry/al-sharpton-donald-trump-raci... >Heck, you probably still think that, this particular bit of fake news has been drilled into everyone's skulls relentlessly for over a year. Now you're resorting to personal attacks, so this conversation is over.
        7y ago