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> the thrust of Marc's point is not that we should be "reinforcing public trust in standards" It isn't? https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/11283305376

> the thrust of Marc's point is not that we should be "reinforcing public trust in standards" It isn't? https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/1128330537645563906 https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/11283305376455639... https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/1128332202775863296 https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/11283322027758632... https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/1128378488732438528 https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/11283784887324385... "Marc Stevens wants to reinforce the public trust in standards, especially among non-experts" isn't an uncharitable summary of this conversation. > That makes you seem disingenuous. If I'm mistaken about the point he's defending, it's not an act of dishonesty. Given that he at multiple points agreed with my arguments that standards bodies make dumb mistakes and yet continued to double down on "we should just follow standards anyway" without caveat, there aren't many alternative interpretations that I'm aware of. If I still seem disingenuous, it might be that you want me to seem that way. In which case, there's no point in either of us continuing to participate because it has ceased to be about security and instead has become a discussion of ego, which I'm frankly uninterested in.

realhashbreaker 7y ago
Actually, I did add caveats and do recognize that not all standards are equally important. In the tweets you link I'm talking about secure standards, as in standards that are actually considered secure. But my point was not "just follow standards anyway". This tweet clearly shows that: https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/1128383029255258112?s=09 https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/11283830292552581... Rather that it is better to promote to work through standards as a community as opposed to your way of where individuals promote their pet primitives. Standards serve a role as a focal point: the benefit of being big targets, getting a lot of scrutiny and easier for non-experts to find out if somebody found security issues.
- CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
  Okay, then let's work together to get better standards than the ones currently available.

realhashbreaker 7y ago

Actually, I did add caveats and do recognize that not all standards are equally important. In the tweets you link I'm talking about secure standards, as in standards that are actually considered secure. But my point was not "just follow standards anyway". This tweet clearly shows that: https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/1128383029255258112?s=09 https://twitter.com/realhashbreaker/status/11283830292552581... Rather that it is better to promote to work through standards as a community as opposed to your way of where individuals promote their pet primitives. Standards serve a role as a focal point: the benefit of being big targets, getting a lot of scrutiny and easier for non-experts to find out if somebody found security issues.

CiPHPerCoder 7y ago
Okay, then let's work together to get better standards than the ones currently available.