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Personally, I'd say Elon is a lot more honest than Apple ever was. Remember, Apple is the one telling everyone they really don't want a headphone jack, even if

by magduf 7y ago

Personally, I'd say Elon is a lot more honest than Apple ever was. Remember, Apple is the one telling everyone they really don't want a headphone jack, even if they do. (Wireless headphones have significant downsides.) As for Exxon, that's apples and oranges. Exxon doesn't make any products. It produces oil, which is a fungible commodity, not a branded product that's different from competitors' products in real and significant ways. Boeing, too, is a pretty bad comparison. No one actually buys Boeing planes (except airline companies). As a consumer, you can try to choose non-Boeing planes to fly on when you book tickets, but that's about it. You're not their customer.

zaroth 7y ago
But that's exactly my point. Since they aren't brands that consumers can really love and connect to, they are more likely to be viewed as an evil empire. E.g. I was trying to avoid the pissing contest of whether Apple or Google or whoever is more loved.
- magduf 7y ago
  That's the problem with your point: you were making an apples-to-oranges comparison. You're comparing brands that do connect directly to consumers and sell to them with brands that really don't. Even Google isn't a great comparison, because consumers only use Google's services like GMail and search; they don't buy products from it very much. Android phones are (mostly) made by other companies: Huawei, LG, Samsung, etc. Maybe you should try comparing Apple and Samsung instead, or Tesla and Honda. Those are direct comparisons.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other.
djmips 7y ago
Consumers purchase gasoline directly. Boeing cares what the public thinks because their customers (airlines) care what the public thinks.
- magduf 7y ago
  Consumers mostly don't care about the brand of gasoline, only the convenience and price of the gas station. Gasoline is all the same; Exxon gas isn't significantly different from Sunoco or BP gas. Boeing doesn't sell to consumers. As I said above, this just isn't a valid comparison at all.

by magduf 7y ago

zaroth 7y ago

But that's exactly my point. Since they aren't brands that consumers can really love and connect to, they are more likely to be viewed as an evil empire. E.g. I was trying to avoid the pissing contest of whether Apple or Google or whoever is more loved.

magduf 7y ago
That's the problem with your point: you were making an apples-to-oranges comparison. You're comparing brands that do connect directly to consumers and sell to them with brands that really don't. Even Google isn't a great comparison, because consumers only use Google's services like GMail and search; they don't buy products from it very much. Android phones are (mostly) made by other companies: Huawei, LG, Samsung, etc. Maybe you should try comparing Apple and Samsung instead, or Tesla and Honda. Those are direct comparisons.
- zaroth 7y ago
  Sorry, I think we’re talking past each other.

djmips 7y ago

Consumers purchase gasoline directly. Boeing cares what the public thinks because their customers (airlines) care what the public thinks.

magduf 7y ago
Consumers mostly don't care about the brand of gasoline, only the convenience and price of the gas station. Gasoline is all the same; Exxon gas isn't significantly different from Sunoco or BP gas. Boeing doesn't sell to consumers. As I said above, this just isn't a valid comparison at all.