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> this planet doesn’t have the resources of providing a middle-class lifestyle for 7 or 8 billion people. So what? What do you propose, concretely? > Malthus

by pif 7y ago

> this planet doesn’t have the resources of providing a middle-class lifestyle for 7 or 8 billion people. So what? What do you propose, concretely? > Malthus was right, Again, so what?

nabnob 7y ago
I'm not the person you're responding to, but I think the only way to fight climate change is by changing to an economy that doesn't rely on increasing production, and accepting a lower standard of living. I see people blaming climate change on overpopulation, but this isn't really the truth - a majority of the world's energy usage comes from first world countries.
- pif 7y ago
  > and accepting a lower standard of living. I think nearly everybody is ready to accept a lower standard of living... for their neighbourghs!
- Mirioron 7y ago
  How much of a reduction are we talking about? Because if it's far enough, then it won't really be any different than the destruction of our civilization. At that point we might as well go full steam ahead into climate change, because the results of it aren't actually set in stone. The IPCC says that we still don't know how to properly model clouds in our climate change models - they could have a significant cooling or warming effect.
paganel 7y ago
> So what? What do you propose, concretely? I did say: > I’m afraid is already outside of our control. so you could say I'm a defeatist, as in I know of no workable and ethical solution. I am just laying out of the facts as I think they are happening.
- pif 7y ago
  Maybe we agree in the following conclusion: Global warming is here to stay (because only a global effort can constrast it and human nature is against global efforts). Let's stop pretending we can make anything about it and let's instead focus on adapting to it (because humanity thrives when everybody can try and improve his own condition without sliding into theft).

by pif 7y ago

> this planet doesn’t have the resources of providing a middle-class lifestyle for 7 or 8 billion people. So what? What do you propose, concretely? > Malthus was right, Again, so what?

nabnob 7y ago

I'm not the person you're responding to, but I think the only way to fight climate change is by changing to an economy that doesn't rely on increasing production, and accepting a lower standard of living. I see people blaming climate change on overpopulation, but this isn't really the truth - a majority of the world's energy usage comes from first world countries.

pif 7y ago
> and accepting a lower standard of living. I think nearly everybody is ready to accept a lower standard of living... for their neighbourghs!
Mirioron 7y ago
How much of a reduction are we talking about? Because if it's far enough, then it won't really be any different than the destruction of our civilization. At that point we might as well go full steam ahead into climate change, because the results of it aren't actually set in stone. The IPCC says that we still don't know how to properly model clouds in our climate change models - they could have a significant cooling or warming effect.

paganel 7y ago

> So what? What do you propose, concretely? I did say: > I’m afraid is already outside of our control. so you could say I'm a defeatist, as in I know of no workable and ethical solution. I am just laying out of the facts as I think they are happening.

pif 7y ago
Maybe we agree in the following conclusion: Global warming is here to stay (because only a global effort can constrast it and human nature is against global efforts). Let's stop pretending we can make anything about it and let's instead focus on adapting to it (because humanity thrives when everybody can try and improve his own condition without sliding into theft).