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It's a shame this has happened. I wonder to what extent this has been archived, I've taken a quick glance at it on archive.org, and it seems the main page has b

by bkq 7y ago

It's a shame this has happened. I wonder to what extent this has been archived, I've taken a quick glance at it on archive.org, and it seems the main page has been well archived but I'd be sceptical if any of the "deeper" pages so speak were archived. It makes me wonder what will happen with similar online communities as time drags on, and makes me sort of concerned for them too and the content that could be lost due to their disappearance. With the web going forward, it seems as if similar memetic communities will primarily exist on platforms such as reddit, and possibly tumblr?

fredley 7y ago
I'm not sure to what extent YTMND itself would be archivable. The last I saw it it loaded frames with some Flash loader, which handled sync with the audio (as opposed to the very early YTMNDs which were just a gif/audio and text). Places like tumblr and reddit are much more easily archivable as they're just text and image files, and now video files which with modern web standards can just be grabbed as is and put into archival systems with automatic transcoding as standards change. I just hope whoever was running it at the end makes the archive publicly available.
- skocznymroczny 7y ago
  Was it loading any Flash or it was a Flash app provided by the website that you could upload your content to? I know of a certain adult website which hosts "webteases", which are basically interactive/choose your own adventure slideshows. The content was originally provided with Flash, but now they reworked it to use HTML5 and most of the content seems to work because it was using the website provided framework for the content.
  - testplzignore 7y ago
    IIRC, you would upload wav or mp3 to YTMND, and then it would play back in Flash. I think it worked like this for one or both of these reasons: 1. Syncing the audio and video. It is difficult to sync a gif with audio. They have to be started at the exact same time, be the exact same length, and never get out of sync due to lag/stutter. This wasn't important for early YTMNDs, but mattered later when people created what were disparagingly referred to as "___ short films". 2. Bandwidth. I think Max had said the Flash solution was more efficient than serving the raw audio and gif. Think of it as an early version of WebM. I think the use of Flash could be controlled on a per-YTMND basis - the creator could disable the use of Flash. And/or maybe it was that Flash was only used for animated gifs?
- kalleboo 7y ago
  The Wayback Machine version works fine for me in Safari, but it's just a matter of time until Flash is completely dead. http://web.archive.org/web/20190402083155/http://ckjcwf.ytmnd.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20190402083155/http://ckjcwf.ytmn... edit: ironically, one of the non-flash versions doesn't work in Safari since it doesn't like a raw MP3 file in an OBJECT tag. The MP3 file is there though. https://web.archive.org/web/20060603154932/marioteachesptkfgs.ytmnd.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20060603154932/marioteachesptkfg...
pjc50 7y ago
https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1128517332064772098 https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1128517332064772098 : "YOU'RE THE ARCHIVE NOW, DOG: Archive Team took a full copy of You're The Man Now Dog (YTMND) last year - should be playable in Wayback Machine now or soonish."
- degenerate 7y ago
  Link to the top viewed YTMNDs from tweet replies: http://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/sites/top_viewed/alltime http://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/s...
- nerdponx 7y ago
  Bless them, I should donate a little extra just for this.
  - RL_Quine 7y ago
    Remember Archive Team is not Archive.org.
    - cwkoss 7y ago
      Who is Archive Team?
      - toomuchtodo 7y ago
        https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked...
- djsumdog 7y ago
  Preserving a great part of the early Internet, back when the Internet was weird and great.
LinuxBender 7y ago
I always saved the wav/mp3 and gif files of the ones I liked the most. I do this for all sites I like because inevitably, they vanish and rarely render correctly on archive.org. My favorite was "amorningfilledwith400billionsuns" - or also known as "A Still More Glorious Dawn Awaits sagan" with the auto-tuned version of Carl Sagan singing about our possible future. Hard to pick a single favorite actually. There were so many great ones.
- yreg 7y ago
  amorningfilledwith400billionsuns: https://web.archive.org/web/20180625031725/http://amorningfilledwith400billionsuns.ytmnd.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180625031725/http://amorningfi...
- hnal943 7y ago
  The actual song is still available - it's by an artist called melodysheep.
Rhaomi 7y ago
You can view most pages by going to: https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://SUBSITENAME.ytmnd.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://SUBSITENAME.ytmnd.co... This works for me even on iPad, so no Flash is needed. Also, you can search by tweaking the end of this URL: https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://ytmnd.com/keywords/SEARCHTERM https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://ytmnd.com/keywords/S... It will only work for search result pages Archive.org saved, and only for the first page of results, but they archived a LOT of them, so most relatively common search terms should work. The archived YTMND also has a comprehensive list of "fads", which is great for context and examples: https://web.archive.org/web/20170120213744/http://wiki.ytmnd.com/Category:Fads https://web.archive.org/web/20170120213744/http://wiki.ytmnd... Also, the most-viewed YTMNDs of all time: https://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/sites/top_viewed/alltime https://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/... Lastly, this MetaFilter post I did rounded up some of my favorites: https://www.metafilter.com/180917/You-Were-the-Man-Then-Dog https://www.metafilter.com/180917/You-Were-the-Man-Then-Dog

by bkq 7y ago

fredley 7y ago

I'm not sure to what extent YTMND itself would be archivable. The last I saw it it loaded frames with some Flash loader, which handled sync with the audio (as opposed to the very early YTMNDs which were just a gif/audio and text). Places like tumblr and reddit are much more easily archivable as they're just text and image files, and now video files which with modern web standards can just be grabbed as is and put into archival systems with automatic transcoding as standards change. I just hope whoever was running it at the end makes the archive publicly available.

skocznymroczny 7y ago
Was it loading any Flash or it was a Flash app provided by the website that you could upload your content to? I know of a certain adult website which hosts "webteases", which are basically interactive/choose your own adventure slideshows. The content was originally provided with Flash, but now they reworked it to use HTML5 and most of the content seems to work because it was using the website provided framework for the content.
- testplzignore 7y ago
  IIRC, you would upload wav or mp3 to YTMND, and then it would play back in Flash. I think it worked like this for one or both of these reasons: 1. Syncing the audio and video. It is difficult to sync a gif with audio. They have to be started at the exact same time, be the exact same length, and never get out of sync due to lag/stutter. This wasn't important for early YTMNDs, but mattered later when people created what were disparagingly referred to as "___ short films". 2. Bandwidth. I think Max had said the Flash solution was more efficient than serving the raw audio and gif. Think of it as an early version of WebM. I think the use of Flash could be controlled on a per-YTMND basis - the creator could disable the use of Flash. And/or maybe it was that Flash was only used for animated gifs?
kalleboo 7y ago
The Wayback Machine version works fine for me in Safari, but it's just a matter of time until Flash is completely dead. http://web.archive.org/web/20190402083155/http://ckjcwf.ytmnd.com/ http://web.archive.org/web/20190402083155/http://ckjcwf.ytmn... edit: ironically, one of the non-flash versions doesn't work in Safari since it doesn't like a raw MP3 file in an OBJECT tag. The MP3 file is there though. https://web.archive.org/web/20060603154932/marioteachesptkfgs.ytmnd.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20060603154932/marioteachesptkfg...

pjc50 7y ago

https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1128517332064772098 https://twitter.com/textfiles/status/1128517332064772098 : "YOU'RE THE ARCHIVE NOW, DOG: Archive Team took a full copy of You're The Man Now Dog (YTMND) last year - should be playable in Wayback Machine now or soonish."

degenerate 7y ago
Link to the top viewed YTMNDs from tweet replies: http://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/sites/top_viewed/alltime http://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/s...
nerdponx 7y ago
Bless them, I should donate a little extra just for this.
- RL_Quine 7y ago
  Remember Archive Team is not Archive.org.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    Who is Archive Team?
    - toomuchtodo 7y ago
      https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Who_We_Are https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked_Questions https://www.archiveteam.org/index.php?title=Frequently_Asked...
djsumdog 7y ago
Preserving a great part of the early Internet, back when the Internet was weird and great.

LinuxBender 7y ago

I always saved the wav/mp3 and gif files of the ones I liked the most. I do this for all sites I like because inevitably, they vanish and rarely render correctly on archive.org. My favorite was "amorningfilledwith400billionsuns" - or also known as "A Still More Glorious Dawn Awaits sagan" with the auto-tuned version of Carl Sagan singing about our possible future. Hard to pick a single favorite actually. There were so many great ones.

yreg 7y ago
amorningfilledwith400billionsuns: https://web.archive.org/web/20180625031725/http://amorningfilledwith400billionsuns.ytmnd.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/20180625031725/http://amorningfi...
hnal943 7y ago
The actual song is still available - it's by an artist called melodysheep.

Rhaomi 7y ago

You can view most pages by going to: https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://SUBSITENAME.ytmnd.com/ https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://SUBSITENAME.ytmnd.co... This works for me even on iPad, so no Flash is needed. Also, you can search by tweaking the end of this URL: https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://ytmnd.com/keywords/SEARCHTERM https://web.archive.org/web/2019/http://ytmnd.com/keywords/S... It will only work for search result pages Archive.org saved, and only for the first page of results, but they archived a LOT of them, so most relatively common search terms should work. The archived YTMND also has a comprehensive list of "fads", which is great for context and examples: https://web.archive.org/web/20170120213744/http://wiki.ytmnd.com/Category:Fads https://web.archive.org/web/20170120213744/http://wiki.ytmnd... Also, the most-viewed YTMNDs of all time: https://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/sites/top_viewed/alltime https://web.archive.org/web/20190512045939/http://ytmnd.com/... Lastly, this MetaFilter post I did rounded up some of my favorites: https://www.metafilter.com/180917/You-Were-the-Man-Then-Dog https://www.metafilter.com/180917/You-Were-the-Man-Then-Dog