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I dunno... Their home page looks like something out of the Panera Bread playbook looking at the homepage. 'Web artisans'? Why is it 'clean' because it has an ab

I dunno... Their home page looks like something out of the Panera Bread playbook looking at the homepage. 'Web artisans'? Why is it 'clean' because it has an absurd amount of whitespace and comments of platitudes for the code example?

cntainer 7y ago
Lol, I agree their packaging looks a bit different but the contents of the package are basically the same. Working with both Laravel and Rails will make it clearer that they try to follow the same principles of convention over configuration and programmer happiness :).
mmccaff 7y ago
"Clever" "marketing" language like this is not unique to Laravel, most frameworks use language like it for tag-lines on their homepage. Pyramid, a framework for Python, even goes with the same "artisan" language. They're just trying to be fun, inspiring, etc From the home page of a few other frameworks: Django: "The web framework for perfectionists with deadlines." Flask: "Web development, one drop at a time" Express: "Fast, unopinionated, minimalist web framework for Node.js" Pyramid: "You need a Python web framework that supports your decisions, by artisans for artisans." Why is it clean? Build an application with Laravel and you'll find out. :) The documentation and community are excellent. I've used many frameworks across many different languages, and (imo) it really is very nice to work in. It's funny how the most negativity comes from people with very little experience, or at least recent experience, in the thing that they don't like.
- thanatropism 7y ago
  It’s not funny. People who have bought in something have (1) to rationalize their choice and (2) cheer so the project remains alive and a major contender.
  - chc 7y ago
    That's not my experience at all. Most developers I know have worked with technologies before and come out saying, "I would rather use something else next time."
- maw 7y ago
  They should have used "Laravel: The Framework Thomas Kinkade Would Have Created."
davidy123 7y ago
PHP frameworks crack me up. They so often claim they're "powerful." What does that mean exactly, who is that language aimed at? Then there is Laravel, why "artisans?" The word generally means pre-industrial. In my mind, that evokes devs doing edits on live code. Also, "Laravel" sounds like something to do with larvae. Then there's Drupal, which for the longest time was "community plumbing," which did match the experience of having to call someone in for mysterious specialist emergencies.
- dark1 7y ago
  Your complaints about Laravel are hilariously shallow. If that's all it takes to turn you off of something... wow. Also, who's talking about Drupal here? There are complex legacy CMS's for every language.
- ukyrgf 7y ago
  The command line tool for Laravel is named 'artisan'. You use it to do everything in Laravel, from setting up controllers/views to seeding databases.
  - davidy123 7y ago
    I guess "Laravel - The PHP Framework For Web Scaffolders" wasn't catchy enough.
- davidy123 7y ago
  (Can't edit. I meant the word "powerful," not the language PHP).
cutler 7y ago
Glad I'm not the only one who thinks "modern PHP" struggles to fit more than a couple of lines of real code on a screen surrounded, as it is, by space-wasting nonsense such as block comments, blank lines and K&R brace style. No wonder people prefer Ruby. Around the time of PHP5 the language ditched its own identity and sought to become the scripting version of Java. Give me back my procedural PHP4.

cntainer 7y ago

Lol, I agree their packaging looks a bit different but the contents of the package are basically the same. Working with both Laravel and Rails will make it clearer that they try to follow the same principles of convention over configuration and programmer happiness :).

mmccaff 7y ago

"Clever" "marketing" language like this is not unique to Laravel, most frameworks use language like it for tag-lines on their homepage. Pyramid, a framework for Python, even goes with the same "artisan" language. They're just trying to be fun, inspiring, etc From the home page of a few other frameworks: Django: "The web framework for perfectionists with deadlines." Flask: "Web development, one drop at a time" Express: "Fast, unopinionated, minimalist web framework for Node.js" Pyramid: "You need a Python web framework that supports your decisions, by artisans for artisans." Why is it clean? Build an application with Laravel and you'll find out. :) The documentation and community are excellent. I've used many frameworks across many different languages, and (imo) it really is very nice to work in. It's funny how the most negativity comes from people with very little experience, or at least recent experience, in the thing that they don't like.

thanatropism 7y ago
It’s not funny. People who have bought in something have (1) to rationalize their choice and (2) cheer so the project remains alive and a major contender.
- chc 7y ago
  That's not my experience at all. Most developers I know have worked with technologies before and come out saying, "I would rather use something else next time."
maw 7y ago
They should have used "Laravel: The Framework Thomas Kinkade Would Have Created."

davidy123 7y ago

PHP frameworks crack me up. They so often claim they're "powerful." What does that mean exactly, who is that language aimed at? Then there is Laravel, why "artisans?" The word generally means pre-industrial. In my mind, that evokes devs doing edits on live code. Also, "Laravel" sounds like something to do with larvae. Then there's Drupal, which for the longest time was "community plumbing," which did match the experience of having to call someone in for mysterious specialist emergencies.

dark1 7y ago
Your complaints about Laravel are hilariously shallow. If that's all it takes to turn you off of something... wow. Also, who's talking about Drupal here? There are complex legacy CMS's for every language.
ukyrgf 7y ago
The command line tool for Laravel is named 'artisan'. You use it to do everything in Laravel, from setting up controllers/views to seeding databases.
- davidy123 7y ago
  I guess "Laravel - The PHP Framework For Web Scaffolders" wasn't catchy enough.
davidy123 7y ago
(Can't edit. I meant the word "powerful," not the language PHP).

cutler 7y ago

Glad I'm not the only one who thinks "modern PHP" struggles to fit more than a couple of lines of real code on a screen surrounded, as it is, by space-wasting nonsense such as block comments, blank lines and K&R brace style. No wonder people prefer Ruby. Around the time of PHP5 the language ditched its own identity and sought to become the scripting version of Java. Give me back my procedural PHP4.