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>As much as it has improved over the years, I think this proves Outlook 2010 is still entirely untrustworthy as an email client. Avoid using it if at all possib

>As much as it has improved over the years, I think this proves Outlook 2010 is still entirely untrustworthy as an email client. Avoid using it if at all possible. Those are some needless harsh words.Outlook shines when matched with Exchange, not IMAP. It's hands down the best email server-client combination in the market.

dandinu 16y ago
I believe you are dismissing Chrome+Gmail too fast. With Google Gears, i think it´s as competitive.
- rubyrescue 16y ago
  not if you have a lot of meetings - gmail's calendar integration just isn't as good.
  - ditojim 16y ago
    do you care to elaborate on this statement? what about the integration isn't good when you have "a lot" of meetings? how many is a lot, btw?
    - rubyrescue 16y ago
      OK, good point. Exchange + Outlook is much better for calendar management even when you have few meetings. Exchange + Outlook are good about combining the information about your schedule based on the meeting requests you've received and not just the items on you calendar. Further, Outlook allows most email operations from your calendar (Reply/Forward/etc), and converts the calendar item into an email when needed so the user experience is much more seamless than using Gmail + Google Calendar.
      - ditojim 16y ago
        hey google apps does that, too! :) i can create a calendar event right in an email, or click "create an event" to take me to google calendar. google calendar then populates data from the email and tries to guess the date and time...it actually gets it right sometimes, too. conversely, you can email attendees to a calendar event right from google calendar. not only that, you can select groups of people to email based on their response status. the integration between gmail and google calendar is very tight.
- epo 16y ago
  Gears is supported for Chrome and also OS X Snow Leopard, but not for Chrome on Snow Leopard. I'm guessing this is for sensible reasons but it looks kind of stupid.
bm98 16y ago
My company uses IMAP and has some employees who came from jobs with Outlook/Exchange, so we hook them up with Outlook/IMAP in the hopes that they'll be comfortable in that environment. But it's a far cry... it's like moving them to a whole new client anyway.
Niten 16y ago
Having used Outlook with Exchange myself, I agree that it has some wonderful functionality. But if Outlook will do something as sloppy as sending a batch of read receipts when it makes absolutely no sense to do so, that doesn't instill a lot of confidence in the software in general.
btilly 16y ago
Excuse me? I'm curious to know by what definition Outlook shines when matched with Exchange. At least in all of the installations I've seen, I far prefer using gmail to using Outlook. And that is before you get into the fact that Exchange seems prone to crashing. It may well be that I'm simply not in the target audience for Outlook. What I want is to get through my email, and then get on with real work. On a typical day I arrive at work with several hundred emails in 50 or so threads to go through. I generally get through it in less than half an hour, and the reading part I can do only hitting the j and space keys. Back when I was forced to use Outlook, it took me much longer to go through much less email. Actually it seems very likely that I'm not in the target audience. Any time anyone talks about how great Outlook is, one of the first things that comes up is how good the calendar integration is. But I like living on a maker's schedule, not a manager's one. And therefore "good calendar integration" is a solution to a problem that I really don't want to have. And it is one that, if you're a manager, you should be deliberately not inflicting on your developers. (See http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html for more on that.)

dandinu 16y ago

I believe you are dismissing Chrome+Gmail too fast. With Google Gears, i think it´s as competitive.

rubyrescue 16y ago
not if you have a lot of meetings - gmail's calendar integration just isn't as good.
- ditojim 16y ago
  do you care to elaborate on this statement? what about the integration isn't good when you have "a lot" of meetings? how many is a lot, btw?
  - rubyrescue 16y ago
    OK, good point. Exchange + Outlook is much better for calendar management even when you have few meetings. Exchange + Outlook are good about combining the information about your schedule based on the meeting requests you've received and not just the items on you calendar. Further, Outlook allows most email operations from your calendar (Reply/Forward/etc), and converts the calendar item into an email when needed so the user experience is much more seamless than using Gmail + Google Calendar.
    - ditojim 16y ago
      hey google apps does that, too! :) i can create a calendar event right in an email, or click "create an event" to take me to google calendar. google calendar then populates data from the email and tries to guess the date and time...it actually gets it right sometimes, too. conversely, you can email attendees to a calendar event right from google calendar. not only that, you can select groups of people to email based on their response status. the integration between gmail and google calendar is very tight.
epo 16y ago
Gears is supported for Chrome and also OS X Snow Leopard, but not for Chrome on Snow Leopard. I'm guessing this is for sensible reasons but it looks kind of stupid.

bm98 16y ago

My company uses IMAP and has some employees who came from jobs with Outlook/Exchange, so we hook them up with Outlook/IMAP in the hopes that they'll be comfortable in that environment. But it's a far cry... it's like moving them to a whole new client anyway.

Niten 16y ago

Having used Outlook with Exchange myself, I agree that it has some wonderful functionality. But if Outlook will do something as sloppy as sending a batch of read receipts when it makes absolutely no sense to do so, that doesn't instill a lot of confidence in the software in general.

btilly 16y ago

Excuse me? I'm curious to know by what definition Outlook shines when matched with Exchange. At least in all of the installations I've seen, I far prefer using gmail to using Outlook. And that is before you get into the fact that Exchange seems prone to crashing. It may well be that I'm simply not in the target audience for Outlook. What I want is to get through my email, and then get on with real work. On a typical day I arrive at work with several hundred emails in 50 or so threads to go through. I generally get through it in less than half an hour, and the reading part I can do only hitting the j and space keys. Back when I was forced to use Outlook, it took me much longer to go through much less email. Actually it seems very likely that I'm not in the target audience. Any time anyone talks about how great Outlook is, one of the first things that comes up is how good the calendar integration is. But I like living on a maker's schedule, not a manager's one. And therefore "good calendar integration" is a solution to a problem that I really don't want to have. And it is one that, if you're a manager, you should be deliberately not inflicting on your developers. (See http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html http://www.paulgraham.com/makersschedule.html for more on that.)