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Spacecraft Saw ULF Radio Emissions over Haiti before January Quake

54 points by J3L2404 16y ago

gcb 16y ago
When will wikileak give us californians this sattelite data in real time?
sabat 16y ago
I can't wait for conspiracy nuts to start saying that this is proof that govt satellites use radio waves to cause earthquakes.
- sliverstorm 16y ago
  A more likely conspiracy theory is "wait, they KNEW and they didn't tell people to evacuate Haiti!? THOSE BASTERDS" (completely missing the part where this was a test to see if ULF could indicate earthquakes at all)
- sabat 16y ago
  I find it sad how quickly people are downvoting comments these days. That was a perfectly legitimate snarky remark. Don't think it's funny? Don't upvote it.
  - blueben 16y ago
    If you're looking for a place to make snarky comments and congratulate yourself on what a hilarious Internet comedian you are, go to Slashdot or Digg. That kind of pointless babble isn't supposed to be encouraged here. PS. Don't act so offended. You just aren't funny.
    - sabat 16y ago
      Actually, people here try to be funny all the time -- and not everyone agrees on what's funny. But we try to keep things civil. I encourage you to be more civil as well.
      - blueben 16y ago
        Saying "that kind of post isn't appropriate here" and "you aren't funny" isn't civil? Really?
        sabat 16y ago
        Not really civil, no -- considering that those kinds of posts are considered appropriate, and that I've been around a couple of years longer than your account shows you've been, and so would more more likely know what's generally OK here and what's not. "You aren't funny" is just rude -- see PG's extortions about not saying something here that you wouldn't say in person.
        blueben 16y ago
        I'm going to let your "I've been here longer than you, nyah" comment stand on its own (lack of) merit. I am perfectly happy to meet you, the next time I am in your town, and tell you that your comment was not funny to your face.
foresterh 16y ago
I was a little thrown off by "spacecraft". Wasn't it just a satellite? Isn't there a difference?
- ugh 16y ago
  “Spacecraft” is the catch-all term. Pretty much anything designed by humans to be in space can be called a spacecraft.
pyre 16y ago
> Now Michael Athanasiou at the Technical University of Serres in > Greece and a few buddies say that DEMETER spotted good of > evidence of a change in ultralow frequency radio waves in the > ionosphere above Haiti in the run up to the quake. "... and a few buddies..." ? Is this thing being operated out of a garage?
streety 16y ago
If this approach has promise it seems a shame that the mission ended yesterday, just two days after this paper was released. http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/index.html http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/index.html The next step must be to investigate whether any similar correlations have been observed. There have been plenty of major earthquakes over the past year alone. The satellite isn't going to have robust data on all of them but I would imagine that over the past 6 years they've been 'lucky' enough to collect decent data on at least a few more major earthquakes.
- hugh3 16y ago
  I think the really important question, sidestepped in the article, is how many false positives there are. It's not much good noting that RF buildups precede earthquakes if 99% of RF buildups aren't followed by earthquakes.
  - marze 16y ago
    From the article: "It may well be that the crust generates more low frequency waves in the build up to an earthquake but there may be other mechanisms that produce a similar signal but are not linked to quakes."
  - marze 16y ago
    From the article: "It may well be that the crust generates more low frequency waves in the build up to an earthquake but there may be other mechanisms that produce a similar signal but are not linked to quakes."
johnrdavisjr 16y ago
I actually attended the Dayton Hamvantion this year. They had a HAARP forum, and I think that this might be interesting for everyone to listen too: http://johnrdavisjr.com/feed/NA/HAARP.mp3 http://johnrdavisjr.com/feed/NA/HAARP.mp3 It is very interesting to note that HAARP makes the sky GLOW RED when it is turned on and it operates at a low frequency to modify the ionosphere. We discussed this and the hamvention here: http://socitpodcast.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/socit-podcast-007-dayton-hamvention-follow-up/ http://socitpodcast.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/socit-podcast-0...

54 points by J3L2404 16y ago

gcb 16y ago

When will wikileak give us californians this sattelite data in real time?

sabat 16y ago

I can't wait for conspiracy nuts to start saying that this is proof that govt satellites use radio waves to cause earthquakes.

sliverstorm 16y ago
A more likely conspiracy theory is "wait, they KNEW and they didn't tell people to evacuate Haiti!? THOSE BASTERDS" (completely missing the part where this was a test to see if ULF could indicate earthquakes at all)
sabat 16y ago
I find it sad how quickly people are downvoting comments these days. That was a perfectly legitimate snarky remark. Don't think it's funny? Don't upvote it.
- blueben 16y ago
  If you're looking for a place to make snarky comments and congratulate yourself on what a hilarious Internet comedian you are, go to Slashdot or Digg. That kind of pointless babble isn't supposed to be encouraged here. PS. Don't act so offended. You just aren't funny.
  - sabat 16y ago
    Actually, people here try to be funny all the time -- and not everyone agrees on what's funny. But we try to keep things civil. I encourage you to be more civil as well.
    - blueben 16y ago
      Saying "that kind of post isn't appropriate here" and "you aren't funny" isn't civil? Really?
      - sabat 16y ago
        Not really civil, no -- considering that those kinds of posts are considered appropriate, and that I've been around a couple of years longer than your account shows you've been, and so would more more likely know what's generally OK here and what's not. "You aren't funny" is just rude -- see PG's extortions about not saying something here that you wouldn't say in person.
        blueben 16y ago
        I'm going to let your "I've been here longer than you, nyah" comment stand on its own (lack of) merit. I am perfectly happy to meet you, the next time I am in your town, and tell you that your comment was not funny to your face.

foresterh 16y ago

I was a little thrown off by "spacecraft". Wasn't it just a satellite? Isn't there a difference?

ugh 16y ago
“Spacecraft” is the catch-all term. Pretty much anything designed by humans to be in space can be called a spacecraft.

pyre 16y ago

> Now Michael Athanasiou at the Technical University of Serres in > Greece and a few buddies say that DEMETER spotted good of > evidence of a change in ultralow frequency radio waves in the > ionosphere above Haiti in the run up to the quake. "... and a few buddies..." ? Is this thing being operated out of a garage?

streety 16y ago

If this approach has promise it seems a shame that the mission ended yesterday, just two days after this paper was released. http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/index.html http://demeter.cnrs-orleans.fr/dmt/index.html The next step must be to investigate whether any similar correlations have been observed. There have been plenty of major earthquakes over the past year alone. The satellite isn't going to have robust data on all of them but I would imagine that over the past 6 years they've been 'lucky' enough to collect decent data on at least a few more major earthquakes.

hugh3 16y ago
I think the really important question, sidestepped in the article, is how many false positives there are. It's not much good noting that RF buildups precede earthquakes if 99% of RF buildups aren't followed by earthquakes.
- marze 16y ago
  From the article: "It may well be that the crust generates more low frequency waves in the build up to an earthquake but there may be other mechanisms that produce a similar signal but are not linked to quakes."
- marze 16y ago
  From the article: "It may well be that the crust generates more low frequency waves in the build up to an earthquake but there may be other mechanisms that produce a similar signal but are not linked to quakes."

johnrdavisjr 16y ago

I actually attended the Dayton Hamvantion this year. They had a HAARP forum, and I think that this might be interesting for everyone to listen too: http://johnrdavisjr.com/feed/NA/HAARP.mp3 http://johnrdavisjr.com/feed/NA/HAARP.mp3 It is very interesting to note that HAARP makes the sky GLOW RED when it is turned on and it operates at a low frequency to modify the ionosphere. We discussed this and the hamvention here: http://socitpodcast.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/socit-podcast-007-dayton-hamvention-follow-up/ http://socitpodcast.wordpress.com/2010/05/24/socit-podcast-0...