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I'm happy to see this, but it's not really going to stop the inevitable rise of the police state. They _will_ find other methods that aren't using facial recogn

by tuxxy 7y ago

I'm happy to see this, but it's not really going to stop the inevitable rise of the police state. They _will_ find other methods that aren't using facial recognition technology. I hear that gait recognition is quite accurate.

Causality1 7y ago
Who needs biometrics when they can track your phone just by asking nicely?
- thinkcontext 7y ago
  But they need to know who to track. I believe they can get phones from a certain area but need a warrant.
duxup 7y ago
No one step will stop a police state, but many small things may. Democracies operate in small steps rather than broad strokes like totalitarian states.
fenwick67 7y ago
I'll have to remember to skip while jaywalking
- jacques_chester 7y ago
  It's becoming possible to accurately estimate anthropometry from any footage of a person moving, so this still identifies you.
  - lozaning 7y ago
    Would putting like rocks or small tacks in my shoes be enough to throw this off?
    - Aromasin 7y ago
      Start walking barefoot maybe? You'll stop heel striking and will likely change gait completely. People will also start to think you're loony too, which has it's ups and downs.
    - jacques_chester 7y ago
      No, because estimating anthropometry is not gait analysis. It's about working out the relative lengths of your skeletal structure, which is unique in every individual and cannot be concealed by movement.
toephu2 7y ago
There is no police state in SF. It is quite the opposite. Crime is rampant and criminals know the police don't bother going after non-life threatening crimes (e.g., car break-ins are rampant all over the Bay Area now). I for one prefer the rise of the police state. Have you been to China lately? Amazingly safe. Never once seen a broken car window anywhere there. There is no such thing as smash-and-grab there anymore and carjackings are unheard of. Used to be a lot of petty crime, not anymore. Cameras are everywhere in big cities. It is safe for any attractive young female to walk out on the streets at midnight there. They use face-recognition technology heavily and catch criminals with the help of it. I dream of the day law enforcement in the U.S. can link up to Facebook and find the real identities of criminals caught on video. Sadly I don't think that day will ever come. Or maybe in other states but definitely not in California. Crime fighting in California is still stuck in the 80s. CHP actively scanning the highways for stolen plates using OCR readers? Technically possible but not happening (not sure why). Police departments linking up to facebook to find thieves caught on 1080p video? Possible but not happening (not legally allowed?).
- ralusek 7y ago
  An authoritarian state like China's is primed for tyranny. They're already tyrannical to a large degree, but they are unrestricted in their capacity to become far worse. Being enamored of the actions of a benevolent authoritarian is a short term trap. Tens of millions of people's lives were lost last century as a consequence of power ceded to the state.
- jrochkind1 7y ago
  San Francisco crime rate per 100,000 people: 715.00 Phoenix: 760.93 Houston: 1095.23 New Orleans: 1121.41 Stockton CA: 1414.56 Milwaukee: 1597.36 Baltimore: 2027.01 Detroit: 2056.67 St Louis: 2082.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
  - topmonk 7y ago
    That's only violent crime. From your very link, for property crime, it's the 4th highest of all the US. This goes along with what the parent was saying. Cops don't go after non-life threatening crimes.
kansface 7y ago
> I hear that gait recognition is quite accurate. I used to recognize my friends in a crowd by their gait before I got glasses. It could be better than faces in some ways.

by tuxxy 7y ago

Causality1 7y ago

Who needs biometrics when they can track your phone just by asking nicely?

thinkcontext 7y ago
But they need to know who to track. I believe they can get phones from a certain area but need a warrant.

duxup 7y ago

No one step will stop a police state, but many small things may. Democracies operate in small steps rather than broad strokes like totalitarian states.

fenwick67 7y ago

I'll have to remember to skip while jaywalking

jacques_chester 7y ago
It's becoming possible to accurately estimate anthropometry from any footage of a person moving, so this still identifies you.
- lozaning 7y ago
  Would putting like rocks or small tacks in my shoes be enough to throw this off?
  - Aromasin 7y ago
    Start walking barefoot maybe? You'll stop heel striking and will likely change gait completely. People will also start to think you're loony too, which has it's ups and downs.
  - jacques_chester 7y ago
    No, because estimating anthropometry is not gait analysis. It's about working out the relative lengths of your skeletal structure, which is unique in every individual and cannot be concealed by movement.

toephu2 7y ago

There is no police state in SF. It is quite the opposite. Crime is rampant and criminals know the police don't bother going after non-life threatening crimes (e.g., car break-ins are rampant all over the Bay Area now). I for one prefer the rise of the police state. Have you been to China lately? Amazingly safe. Never once seen a broken car window anywhere there. There is no such thing as smash-and-grab there anymore and carjackings are unheard of. Used to be a lot of petty crime, not anymore. Cameras are everywhere in big cities. It is safe for any attractive young female to walk out on the streets at midnight there. They use face-recognition technology heavily and catch criminals with the help of it. I dream of the day law enforcement in the U.S. can link up to Facebook and find the real identities of criminals caught on video. Sadly I don't think that day will ever come. Or maybe in other states but definitely not in California. Crime fighting in California is still stuck in the 80s. CHP actively scanning the highways for stolen plates using OCR readers? Technically possible but not happening (not sure why). Police departments linking up to facebook to find thieves caught on 1080p video? Possible but not happening (not legally allowed?).

ralusek 7y ago
An authoritarian state like China's is primed for tyranny. They're already tyrannical to a large degree, but they are unrestricted in their capacity to become far worse. Being enamored of the actions of a benevolent authoritarian is a short term trap. Tens of millions of people's lives were lost last century as a consequence of power ceded to the state.
jrochkind1 7y ago
San Francisco crime rate per 100,000 people: 715.00 Phoenix: 760.93 Houston: 1095.23 New Orleans: 1121.41 Stockton CA: 1414.56 Milwaukee: 1597.36 Baltimore: 2027.01 Detroit: 2056.67 St Louis: 2082.29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_by_crime_rate https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...
- topmonk 7y ago
  That's only violent crime. From your very link, for property crime, it's the 4th highest of all the US. This goes along with what the parent was saying. Cops don't go after non-life threatening crimes.

kansface 7y ago

> I hear that gait recognition is quite accurate. I used to recognize my friends in a crowd by their gait before I got glasses. It could be better than faces in some ways.