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but capitalism is efficient

StreamBright 7y ago
What does capitalism has to do with unions? It is actually goes against basic capitalism to have a 2 party system where the employee and the employer negotiates the circumstances of work.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > What does capitalism has to do with unions? Capitalism is the problem for the working class that motivates unions as a mitigation.
  - anonuser123456 7y ago
    Capitalism != Monopsony
  - StreamBright 7y ago
    What? Where would workers work? Capitalism is not the problem at all.
    - anoncake 7y ago
      In cooperatives and publically-owned workplaces, of course.
      - StreamBright 7y ago
        Like gulags?
        anoncake 7y ago
        On the off-chance that you aren't trolling: A (worker's) cooperative is a company that is owned and democratically controlled by its workers. Gulags were prisons[1]. Since prisoners do often work, you could technically call a prison a publically-owned workplace provided it is actually owned by the public. It would be highly misleading, but technically not entirely wrong. But gulags weren't owned by the public but by an unambiguously dictatorial state, so no, they aren't. I hope this helped clear things up. [1] Calling gulags prisons is quite an understatement, but very bad prisons aren't worker's cooperatives either.
- SubiculumCode 7y ago
  unions are an expression of capitalism. Businesses will often form partnerships/merge to better their market position/profitability/etc.. Laborers (when viewed as a business-person selling a product: their labor) should do the same to promote their own position/profitability/etc.
SmirkingRevenge 7y ago
Capitalism IS efficient, when considering the environment upon which its juxtaposed, and when compared with alternative economic systems/social orders that humanity has experimented with. Its miraculously efficient, in fact! Its terribly inefficient when compared against idyllic, abstract notions of societies, where resources are distributed and used with perfect efficiency. But so is every other practical alternative.

What does capitalism has to do with unions? It is actually goes against basic capitalism to have a 2 party system where the employee and the employer negotiates the circumstances of work.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> What does capitalism has to do with unions? Capitalism is the problem for the working class that motivates unions as a mitigation.
- anonuser123456 7y ago
  Capitalism != Monopsony
- StreamBright 7y ago
  What? Where would workers work? Capitalism is not the problem at all.
  - anoncake 7y ago
    In cooperatives and publically-owned workplaces, of course.
    - StreamBright 7y ago
      Like gulags?
      - anoncake 7y ago
        On the off-chance that you aren't trolling: A (worker's) cooperative is a company that is owned and democratically controlled by its workers. Gulags were prisons[1]. Since prisoners do often work, you could technically call a prison a publically-owned workplace provided it is actually owned by the public. It would be highly misleading, but technically not entirely wrong. But gulags weren't owned by the public but by an unambiguously dictatorial state, so no, they aren't. I hope this helped clear things up. [1] Calling gulags prisons is quite an understatement, but very bad prisons aren't worker's cooperatives either.
SubiculumCode 7y ago
unions are an expression of capitalism. Businesses will often form partnerships/merge to better their market position/profitability/etc.. Laborers (when viewed as a business-person selling a product: their labor) should do the same to promote their own position/profitability/etc.

SmirkingRevenge 7y ago

Capitalism IS efficient, when considering the environment upon which its juxtaposed, and when compared with alternative economic systems/social orders that humanity has experimented with. Its miraculously efficient, in fact! Its terribly inefficient when compared against idyllic, abstract notions of societies, where resources are distributed and used with perfect efficiency. But so is every other practical alternative.