I'll respectfully agree with both of you. For the past decade or so I've struggled immensely with finding meaning outside of religion. I've made progress, and

I'll respectfully agree with both of you. For the past decade or so I've struggled immensely with finding meaning outside of religion. I've made progress, and I do believe it's possible. But it's still an open question for me. Even now, a decade or so since losing my faith, I've not found a replacement that satisfies me. I feel I have the luxury to keep looking, but if I had kids or a significant other, I might consider some degree of religiosity again. Having experimented with all sorts of 'surrogates' to the experience of being in a deeply religious community, I can conclude none of them so far make it work. For various reasons. I'm not sure where that leaves me now. All I'm saying is that I've not found anything non-religious that comes close to what my religious community offered me. And progressive experience has only made me more pessimistic about this. Perhaps there are other things to focus on, or perhaps I've just not looked in the right places. But it can be somewhat lonely to talk to people who have not shared my experience, because they just don't know what they're missing. EDIT: I'm not saying people can't find meaning without religion. Rather, I've not met a single person who had a good, religious background who has not been left somewhat empty by the alternatives. It's mostly been those who were never religious, or who were semi-religious, who seemed to be okay with whatever alternative they found.