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I am surprised Disney didn't just buy out universal. If they did they would own all 10 of top 10 grossing movies of all time. As it is they own 8 out of the 10

I am surprised Disney didn't just buy out universal. If they did they would own all 10 of top 10 grossing movies of all time. As it is they own 8 out of the 10 with the fox purchase. It feels like Disney is becoming too powerful. I am surprised regulators didn't look harder at the Fox deal.

autokad 7y ago
why do you assume Comcast wants to sell NBC Universal? As a former Comcast employee, it feels like they have no intention of doing that.
- peterwwillis 7y ago
  And they won't ever in the future, either, unless they buy another content provider or get acquired. Content is getting more expensive every year, and if you don't own it, you're leasing it. People are cutting the cord more as video and voice is becoming less and less desirable. Soon the only things that will matter will be internet and streaming content, and internet will probably become a public utility in the next decade or two. As consolidation continues, they'll have to pull a Netflix, then divest or break up their internet service so they don't have the government do it for them.
  - cwkoss 7y ago
    > Content is getting more expensive every year, Do you have a source for this? It seems like supply is increasing at an almost exponential rate, so I'd be surprised if content prices are increasing on a per-unit basis.
    - peterwwillis 7y ago
      HBO CEO Richard Plepler said "Rights are getting more expensive" in an interview from 2017 (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/netflix-earnings-how-much-is-netflix-spending-on-content.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/netflix-earnings-how-much-is...) Paying out more money for licensing when they don't own the content is like paying rent; it doesn't net you any money in the future, and the market (and your own strength in it) determines your negotiating position, so you may have to pay more to keep showing it later. Streaming companies like Netflix and Amazon realized this and began producing original content years ago, with costs going toward longer term profits, reduced licensing costs, and increased subscribers of exclusive content. Over 85% of Netflix's new spend in 2018 was on original content, and that year it produced more movies than all major movie studios combined. Not only is licensing content expensive, but an exclusive license is prohibitively expensive; generating the content yourself and keeping it exclusive is a way to attract subscribers and not lose as much cash, and retain have a long-term investment. This year, Netflix is estimated to spend 15 billion on original content alone. In 2018, Netflix spent 15 billion on content (ballooning up from the 8 billion it estimated before that year began). Compare to 2016 when it spent over 5 billion on content, and 2012 when it spent just 2 billion. Each year they've spent more on content, in part because the licensing is getting more expensive, and in part to produce such a big corpus of original content. But at the same time, its content library has shrank by more than half. They offset this loss of content by leaning on their recommendation algorithm to maximize the content viewed by users. Compare to HBO, which generally has had marginal increases in content licensing fees. It does this by making nearly all of its TV programming original, and licensing films. Netflix is essentially following HBO's model, but more so. As even more evidence, Comcast and Disney are moving toward original and exclusive content. Disney is buying Comcast's stake in Hulu, after it recently bought FOX's rights. And NBC plans to put out its own streaming service, where it will probably keep its own content exclusively after 2024. https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/20/netflix-inc-content-costs-are-booming-but-its-libr.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/20/netflix-inc-conten... https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062515/how-netflix-pays-movie-and-tv-show-licensing.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062515/how-n... https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafeldman/2018/07/09/netflixs-content-budget-is-updated-to-13b-in-2018/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafeldman/2018/07/09/netflixs... https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/disney-full-control-hulu-comcast-deal-1203214338/ https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/disney-full-control-hu...
burtonator 7y ago
It's because Disney regulates the regulators.
- Bombthecat 7y ago
  We call the mickey mouse law, the mickey mouse law for lols and giggles...
basch 7y ago
It was an asset deal. Should regulators really be preventing a team of people from buying up historical intellectual property? Fox put its property on the market, this wasnt a hostile takover.
- space_fountain 7y ago
  Yes when one group starts to control too much. I feel like that's the primary purpose of antitrust regulations.
  - jngreenlee 7y ago
    Benedict Evens' newsletter this week made a good point in regards to breaking up tech: "anti-trust theory, on both the diagnosis side and the remedy side, seems to be flummoxed when faced by products that are free or as cheap as possible, and that do not rely on familiar kinds of restrictive practices (the tying of Standard Oil) for their market power. The US in particular has tended to focus exclusively on price, where the EU has looked much more at competition, but neither has a good account of what exactly is wrong with Amazon" I think this is salient...what is Disney doing (so far) to BLOCK competition?
    - ysavir 7y ago
      1. Part of the problem is that large companies are no longer blocking competition; they're acquiring the competition. (eg. Many of Facebook's acquisitions, many of Disney's acquisitions). No need to block what you can just own. 2. I remember seeing an article on here recently that talked about how it is difficult to write down Amazon's exact offenses when their pricing algorithm is a secret.
    - Analemma_ 7y ago
      Antitrust theory as properly envisioned handles the case of low/free prices just fine. It’s only the warped and perverted version of antitrust theory advanced by Robert Bork and subsequently adopted by the US Government, where prices are the only measure of consumer harm, that can’t deal with it. Fortunately the wheels are starting to turn to improve the situation— Lina Khan’s article in the Yale Law Journal about Amazon’s anticompetitive behavior has been an earthquake in the law world and we may be in the early stages of shaking off the Bork madness.
linuxftw 7y ago
It's TV and movies. There's no reason to regulate the production of creative content. Just do something else with your time.

autokad 7y ago

why do you assume Comcast wants to sell NBC Universal? As a former Comcast employee, it feels like they have no intention of doing that.

peterwwillis 7y ago
And they won't ever in the future, either, unless they buy another content provider or get acquired. Content is getting more expensive every year, and if you don't own it, you're leasing it. People are cutting the cord more as video and voice is becoming less and less desirable. Soon the only things that will matter will be internet and streaming content, and internet will probably become a public utility in the next decade or two. As consolidation continues, they'll have to pull a Netflix, then divest or break up their internet service so they don't have the government do it for them.
- cwkoss 7y ago
  > Content is getting more expensive every year, Do you have a source for this? It seems like supply is increasing at an almost exponential rate, so I'd be surprised if content prices are increasing on a per-unit basis.
  - peterwwillis 7y ago
    HBO CEO Richard Plepler said "Rights are getting more expensive" in an interview from 2017 (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/netflix-earnings-how-much-is-netflix-spending-on-content.html https://www.cnbc.com/2017/10/16/netflix-earnings-how-much-is...) Paying out more money for licensing when they don't own the content is like paying rent; it doesn't net you any money in the future, and the market (and your own strength in it) determines your negotiating position, so you may have to pay more to keep showing it later. Streaming companies like Netflix and Amazon realized this and began producing original content years ago, with costs going toward longer term profits, reduced licensing costs, and increased subscribers of exclusive content. Over 85% of Netflix's new spend in 2018 was on original content, and that year it produced more movies than all major movie studios combined. Not only is licensing content expensive, but an exclusive license is prohibitively expensive; generating the content yourself and keeping it exclusive is a way to attract subscribers and not lose as much cash, and retain have a long-term investment. This year, Netflix is estimated to spend 15 billion on original content alone. In 2018, Netflix spent 15 billion on content (ballooning up from the 8 billion it estimated before that year began). Compare to 2016 when it spent over 5 billion on content, and 2012 when it spent just 2 billion. Each year they've spent more on content, in part because the licensing is getting more expensive, and in part to produce such a big corpus of original content. But at the same time, its content library has shrank by more than half. They offset this loss of content by leaning on their recommendation algorithm to maximize the content viewed by users. Compare to HBO, which generally has had marginal increases in content licensing fees. It does this by making nearly all of its TV programming original, and licensing films. Netflix is essentially following HBO's model, but more so. As even more evidence, Comcast and Disney are moving toward original and exclusive content. Disney is buying Comcast's stake in Hulu, after it recently bought FOX's rights. And NBC plans to put out its own streaming service, where it will probably keep its own content exclusively after 2024. https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/20/netflix-inc-content-costs-are-booming-but-its-libr.aspx https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/06/20/netflix-inc-conten... https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062515/how-netflix-pays-movie-and-tv-show-licensing.asp https://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/062515/how-n... https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafeldman/2018/07/09/netflixs-content-budget-is-updated-to-13b-in-2018/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/danafeldman/2018/07/09/netflixs... https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/disney-full-control-hulu-comcast-deal-1203214338/ https://variety.com/2019/digital/news/disney-full-control-hu...

burtonator 7y ago

It's because Disney regulates the regulators.

Bombthecat 7y ago
We call the mickey mouse law, the mickey mouse law for lols and giggles...

basch 7y ago

It was an asset deal. Should regulators really be preventing a team of people from buying up historical intellectual property? Fox put its property on the market, this wasnt a hostile takover.

space_fountain 7y ago
Yes when one group starts to control too much. I feel like that's the primary purpose of antitrust regulations.
- jngreenlee 7y ago
  Benedict Evens' newsletter this week made a good point in regards to breaking up tech: "anti-trust theory, on both the diagnosis side and the remedy side, seems to be flummoxed when faced by products that are free or as cheap as possible, and that do not rely on familiar kinds of restrictive practices (the tying of Standard Oil) for their market power. The US in particular has tended to focus exclusively on price, where the EU has looked much more at competition, but neither has a good account of what exactly is wrong with Amazon" I think this is salient...what is Disney doing (so far) to BLOCK competition?
  - ysavir 7y ago
    1. Part of the problem is that large companies are no longer blocking competition; they're acquiring the competition. (eg. Many of Facebook's acquisitions, many of Disney's acquisitions). No need to block what you can just own. 2. I remember seeing an article on here recently that talked about how it is difficult to write down Amazon's exact offenses when their pricing algorithm is a secret.
  - Analemma_ 7y ago
    Antitrust theory as properly envisioned handles the case of low/free prices just fine. It’s only the warped and perverted version of antitrust theory advanced by Robert Bork and subsequently adopted by the US Government, where prices are the only measure of consumer harm, that can’t deal with it. Fortunately the wheels are starting to turn to improve the situation— Lina Khan’s article in the Yale Law Journal about Amazon’s anticompetitive behavior has been an earthquake in the law world and we may be in the early stages of shaking off the Bork madness.

linuxftw 7y ago

It's TV and movies. There's no reason to regulate the production of creative content. Just do something else with your time.