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This is the right answer. It's in Disneys best interest to keep the market fragmented and force you to subscribe and pay for multiple services. The cord cutte

This is the right answer. It's in Disneys best interest to keep the market fragmented and force you to subscribe and pay for multiple services. The cord cutter dream of a la carte being cheaper and easier to control is dead.

roflchoppa2 7y ago
back to torrenting i guess :D
rconti 7y ago
It is easier to control, and it's cheaper if you don't want all of it. That's the whole point of a-la-carte. Not that it will be cheaper than a bundle if you wanted a bundle in the first place. But that you can pay for what you want. At some sub-bundle size (90%? 80%? 50%?), you'll pay less money. You'll direct your dollars towards services you actually value, rather than whatever sports entertainment commentary complex strong-armed the cable companies the most aggressively.
PorterDuff 7y ago
I always have thought that a surfeit of choice would have driven prices down, but maybe my movin' picture watching needs are different than most consumers (basically 100% amateur youtube at this point). I think that one of the great ironies of on-demand media is just how much stuff is locked up by rights holders and is unavailable. The Disneys and Netflixes of the world make remarkably small catalogs available. You should see some of the libraries that tv stations have sitting on the shelf. Maybe it's just that a serious change in format and/or delivery always loses 90% of the previous material. It's funny how few LPs made it to CD.
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > I always have thought that a surfeit of choice would have driven prices down Choice only drives priced down when it is choice between options which are actually substitutes for each other. What is instead happening is that the uniquely attractive franchises that people are interest in and not willing to substitute for something else are getting distributed over more different offerings, which isn't really competition in the sense that drives down prices much.
  - basch 7y ago
    Price should stay down if you look at it as substitutes. You can rotate your National Amusement(Viacom/CBS/Paramount), Disney/Fox/Hulu, Comcast/UniversalNBC, Sony, ATT/DirecTV/WB/Turner/HBO, Netflix accounts. They arent a contract. You have the incumbents (Disney, NA, Sony, Comcast, ATT, Verizon) vs the tech giants (Netflix, Apple, Google, Facebook.) One thing to notice is that Sony, Disney, and NA are now the odd ones out not owning an ISP. You buy one for a month each, cancel, switch to the next one. It ends up being a LOT cheaper than cable if you rotate, and probably more expensive if you decide you need all channels at all times. The ability to rotate through them is a huge plus over cable/satellite.
- mywittyname 7y ago
  > but maybe my movin' picture watching needs are different than most consumers (basically 100% amateur youtube at this point). You're absolutely not alone and the fragmented ecosystem companies are building will accumulate interest. A lot of potential viewers will never be exposed to content due to fragmentation, and without a critical mass of subscribers, "must-see" content will never grow organically.
lancesells 7y ago
Isn't this a version of a la carte? I don't want Disney content and with these separate apps I don't have to pay for it. In reality I think most people's dream is access to everything ever made under one app for < $20 akin to Spotify.
- cududa 7y ago
  Which will never happen
- dragonwriter 7y ago
  > Isn't this a version of a la carte? Yes spinning the same content out into more services with smaller catalogs that each cost as much as the old large-catalog service is a verion of a la carte, but its a version that illustrates (rather than contradicts) that the vision of a la carte as cheaper is dead (or perhaps more accurately was always a pipe dream.)
  - Tinyyy 7y ago
    Is each individual catalog not cheaper than some massive catalog subscription? Or do you think that it is somehow possible to offer all of their content for $10/mn?
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      > Is each individual catalog not cheaper than some massive catalog subscription? No, individual streaming service prices are mostly constant or edging up over time as catalogs shrink and more content owners set up their own exclusive siloed services.
      - lancesells 7y ago
        But is it the same price as cable tv? Which I assume is what you mean by old large-catalog service. I personally don't think they are even comparable services but I have not had cable service in ~15 years so things might have changed considerably.
majormajor 7y ago
Throw everything as add-ons into the Hulu app (which already has this for HBO etc) and you can charge exactly the same, but the user experience is way better than hopping between apps). Shame that they're going to be totally separate ones. Seems purely branding, especially around "disney app" being more family friendly than a "Hulu app with just disney package."
rayiner 7y ago
> market fragmented and force you to subscribe and pay for multiple services. The cord cutter dream of a la carte being cheaper and easier to control is dead. That's exactly what "a la carte" means. It seems like what people really want is the opposite of "a la carte" service--a one-stop-shop for everything, like cable, except over the Internet.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  Some people might want that, but I and many people I know don't. If you don't consume hours and hours and hours of media, then a la carte is much cheaper.
- deleted 7y ago
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_eht 7y ago
I posit that something has to have been alive in order to die.
stochastic_monk 7y ago
This is the kind of thing making piracy more attractive in this new era of no ownership.
russh 7y ago
I subscribe to HBO, ShowTime, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, have an antenna. I pay less then half the amount I was paying to DirectTv. So it's not even close to dead.

roflchoppa2 7y ago

back to torrenting i guess :D

rconti 7y ago

It is easier to control, and it's cheaper if you don't want all of it. That's the whole point of a-la-carte. Not that it will be cheaper than a bundle if you wanted a bundle in the first place. But that you can pay for what you want. At some sub-bundle size (90%? 80%? 50%?), you'll pay less money. You'll direct your dollars towards services you actually value, rather than whatever sports entertainment commentary complex strong-armed the cable companies the most aggressively.

PorterDuff 7y ago

I always have thought that a surfeit of choice would have driven prices down, but maybe my movin' picture watching needs are different than most consumers (basically 100% amateur youtube at this point). I think that one of the great ironies of on-demand media is just how much stuff is locked up by rights holders and is unavailable. The Disneys and Netflixes of the world make remarkably small catalogs available. You should see some of the libraries that tv stations have sitting on the shelf. Maybe it's just that a serious change in format and/or delivery always loses 90% of the previous material. It's funny how few LPs made it to CD.

dragonwriter 7y ago
> I always have thought that a surfeit of choice would have driven prices down Choice only drives priced down when it is choice between options which are actually substitutes for each other. What is instead happening is that the uniquely attractive franchises that people are interest in and not willing to substitute for something else are getting distributed over more different offerings, which isn't really competition in the sense that drives down prices much.
- basch 7y ago
  Price should stay down if you look at it as substitutes. You can rotate your National Amusement(Viacom/CBS/Paramount), Disney/Fox/Hulu, Comcast/UniversalNBC, Sony, ATT/DirecTV/WB/Turner/HBO, Netflix accounts. They arent a contract. You have the incumbents (Disney, NA, Sony, Comcast, ATT, Verizon) vs the tech giants (Netflix, Apple, Google, Facebook.) One thing to notice is that Sony, Disney, and NA are now the odd ones out not owning an ISP. You buy one for a month each, cancel, switch to the next one. It ends up being a LOT cheaper than cable if you rotate, and probably more expensive if you decide you need all channels at all times. The ability to rotate through them is a huge plus over cable/satellite.
mywittyname 7y ago
> but maybe my movin' picture watching needs are different than most consumers (basically 100% amateur youtube at this point). You're absolutely not alone and the fragmented ecosystem companies are building will accumulate interest. A lot of potential viewers will never be exposed to content due to fragmentation, and without a critical mass of subscribers, "must-see" content will never grow organically.

lancesells 7y ago

Isn't this a version of a la carte? I don't want Disney content and with these separate apps I don't have to pay for it. In reality I think most people's dream is access to everything ever made under one app for < $20 akin to Spotify.

cududa 7y ago
Which will never happen
dragonwriter 7y ago
> Isn't this a version of a la carte? Yes spinning the same content out into more services with smaller catalogs that each cost as much as the old large-catalog service is a verion of a la carte, but its a version that illustrates (rather than contradicts) that the vision of a la carte as cheaper is dead (or perhaps more accurately was always a pipe dream.)
- Tinyyy 7y ago
  Is each individual catalog not cheaper than some massive catalog subscription? Or do you think that it is somehow possible to offer all of their content for $10/mn?
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    > Is each individual catalog not cheaper than some massive catalog subscription? No, individual streaming service prices are mostly constant or edging up over time as catalogs shrink and more content owners set up their own exclusive siloed services.
    - lancesells 7y ago
      But is it the same price as cable tv? Which I assume is what you mean by old large-catalog service. I personally don't think they are even comparable services but I have not had cable service in ~15 years so things might have changed considerably.

majormajor 7y ago

Throw everything as add-ons into the Hulu app (which already has this for HBO etc) and you can charge exactly the same, but the user experience is way better than hopping between apps). Shame that they're going to be totally separate ones. Seems purely branding, especially around "disney app" being more family friendly than a "Hulu app with just disney package."

rayiner 7y ago

> market fragmented and force you to subscribe and pay for multiple services. The cord cutter dream of a la carte being cheaper and easier to control is dead. That's exactly what "a la carte" means. It seems like what people really want is the opposite of "a la carte" service--a one-stop-shop for everything, like cable, except over the Internet.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
Some people might want that, but I and many people I know don't. If you don't consume hours and hours and hours of media, then a la carte is much cheaper.
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_eht 7y ago

I posit that something has to have been alive in order to die.

stochastic_monk 7y ago

This is the kind of thing making piracy more attractive in this new era of no ownership.

russh 7y ago

I subscribe to HBO, ShowTime, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon, have an antenna. I pay less then half the amount I was paying to DirectTv. So it's not even close to dead.