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Until very recently, your ancestors didn't have too much of a choice.
by notfromhere 7y ago
Until very recently, your ancestors didn't have too much of a choice.
- User23 7y agoEvery single one of my ancestors, back to the first, had a choice.
- HNLurker2 7y agoAlso the dark ages, but now N(ietzs +che) predicted the down fall of Christianity a century ago which was tested by all atheist ancestors.
- User23 7y agoWestern Atheism is just another gnostic Christian heresy, because it claims direct knowledge (gnosis) of God. It's nothing new and it always fails relatively quickly.
- HNLurker2 7y agoSo was Plato and Aristotle, most respectable people who walked upon this earth?!
- User23 7y agoYou're confusing agnosticism with atheism. Atheism claims direct knowledge of God, namely that He does not exist. Agnosticism on the other hand is the position that the question cannot be answered. Plato and Aristotle's position was one of agnosticism, not gnostic atheism. By the way I consider the agnostic position to be entirely intellectually honest and defensible. I happen to believe otherwise, but a reasonable person can reach the agnostic position.
- notfromhere 7y agoit's not another gnostic heresy if it predates Christianity.
- User23 7y agoModern western atheism doesn't predate Christianity, it's a response to it. And pre-Christian agnosticism is both not gnostic (duh agnostic) and predates Christianity.
- notfromhere 7y agoYou're creating a weird distinction to try and justify that western atheism is derived from christianity, which doesn't make sense given that the same stances existed well before christianity.
- User23 7y agoI'm drawing the distinction between two separate intellectual strands that are, evidently, easily confused. Contemporary western Atheism is observably derived from Christianity. After all today's atheist isn't motivated by pre-Christian philosophers' doubts about the nature of the Hellenic pantheon. Furthermore, Christianity makes metaphysical assertions that are so much stronger than the old Hellenic ones that they aren't even in the same class.