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> ...they’re going to hold a press conference and say “It wasn’t us” as they wear t-shirts that say “IT WAS DEFINITELY US,” and then they’re going to buy all of

by Udik 7y ago

> ...they’re going to hold a press conference and say “It wasn’t us” as they wear t-shirts that say “IT WAS DEFINITELY US,” and then they’re going to buy all of your stuff at your estate sale so that they can directly look at the photos of your vacation instead of reading your insipid emails about them. That's basically Israel's attitude on anything: doing anything they want without any kind of boundaries, then denying brazenly they did it, while doing it again and again. Like having snipers shooting at thousands of civilians, kids, journalists, paramedics, who are protesting inside their own borders.

toyg 7y ago
> doing anything they want [...] then denying brazingly That’s actually a time-honoured Russian/Soviet SOP, currently embodied by Mr. Sergey Lavrov. The USSR had a lot of influence on early Israel, and it shows in many little things like this.
- Udik 7y ago
  I'd say it has more to do with the very Jewish concept of chutzpah. According to Wikipedia, the term is used "to describe someone who has overstepped the boundaries of accepted behavior" and "Chutzpah amounts to a total denial of personal responsibility, which renders others speechless and incredulous". The term used to have a very negative connotation, but interestingly, Google says "usually used approvingly". It seems to fit pretty well the descriptions of the "rudeness" and "boldness" in common Israeli culture.
  - bigiain 7y ago
    > It seems to fit pretty well the descriptions of the "rudeness" and "boldness" in common Israeli culture. Also seems to be a pretty accurate description of SV/startup culture too...
vxNsr 7y ago
> Like having snipers shooting at thousands of civilians, kids, journalists, paramedics, who are protesting inside their own borders. Ugh... this is so myopic and sounds like you're intentionally not telling the truth. all those "kids", "journalists", and "paramedics" were shown to be carrying bombs or other explosives.
- Udik 7y ago
  Hm. All six thousand of them? Kids? Paramedics? Journalists? Do you have any sources for that?
  - vxNsr 7y ago
    I'd think the onus should be on you to prove that there were 6000 kid, paramedic and journalist deaths. I'm not arguing that terrorists/soldiers/murders were killed, you are the one claiming that a reflective vest puts someone above the law. On top of the 1000s of staged or edited photos/videos coming out of pallywood on a daily basis it's nearly impossible to take anyone making such claims seriously. as they are almost always full of misinformation/lies.
    - Udik 7y ago
      > the onus should be on you to prove that there were 6000 kid, paramedic and journalist deaths Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't mean that all the people shot by snipers (not killed- just shot, usually in the legs and often causing permanent disabilities) were kids or paramedics or journalists. I was questioning your statement that "all ... were shown to be carrying bombs or other explosives". It's quite a categorical statement, and almost certainly wrong.
      - vxNsr 7y ago
        Ok... so again, show that there were 6000 kids, paramedics and journalists who were shot... Also your unbridled hate for all things jewish kinda outs you as a biased party.

by Udik 7y ago

toyg 7y ago

> doing anything they want [...] then denying brazingly That’s actually a time-honoured Russian/Soviet SOP, currently embodied by Mr. Sergey Lavrov. The USSR had a lot of influence on early Israel, and it shows in many little things like this.

Udik 7y ago
I'd say it has more to do with the very Jewish concept of chutzpah. According to Wikipedia, the term is used "to describe someone who has overstepped the boundaries of accepted behavior" and "Chutzpah amounts to a total denial of personal responsibility, which renders others speechless and incredulous". The term used to have a very negative connotation, but interestingly, Google says "usually used approvingly". It seems to fit pretty well the descriptions of the "rudeness" and "boldness" in common Israeli culture.
- bigiain 7y ago
  > It seems to fit pretty well the descriptions of the "rudeness" and "boldness" in common Israeli culture. Also seems to be a pretty accurate description of SV/startup culture too...

vxNsr 7y ago

> Like having snipers shooting at thousands of civilians, kids, journalists, paramedics, who are protesting inside their own borders. Ugh... this is so myopic and sounds like you're intentionally not telling the truth. all those "kids", "journalists", and "paramedics" were shown to be carrying bombs or other explosives.

Udik 7y ago
Hm. All six thousand of them? Kids? Paramedics? Journalists? Do you have any sources for that?
- vxNsr 7y ago
  I'd think the onus should be on you to prove that there were 6000 kid, paramedic and journalist deaths. I'm not arguing that terrorists/soldiers/murders were killed, you are the one claiming that a reflective vest puts someone above the law. On top of the 1000s of staged or edited photos/videos coming out of pallywood on a daily basis it's nearly impossible to take anyone making such claims seriously. as they are almost always full of misinformation/lies.
  - Udik 7y ago
    > the onus should be on you to prove that there were 6000 kid, paramedic and journalist deaths Sorry, maybe I wasn't clear. I didn't mean that all the people shot by snipers (not killed- just shot, usually in the legs and often causing permanent disabilities) were kids or paramedics or journalists. I was questioning your statement that "all ... were shown to be carrying bombs or other explosives". It's quite a categorical statement, and almost certainly wrong.
    - vxNsr 7y ago
      Ok... so again, show that there were 6000 kids, paramedics and journalists who were shot... Also your unbridled hate for all things jewish kinda outs you as a biased party.