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8chan, I believe, is not a "racist" message board, rather a free speech message board, which means they host racists among other users. But after reading the t

by smnra 7y ago

8chan, I believe, is not a "racist" message board, rather a free speech message board, which means they host racists among other users. But after reading the thread I see the intended public: https://twitter.com/DevinFaux/status/1127956035552120832 https://twitter.com/DevinFaux/status/1127956035552120832

ptah 7y ago
do you really intend to tie the concepts of free speech and racism together like this?
- smnra 7y ago
  I certainly do. Supporting free speech means supporting the right to say things you (and the majority of the population) find unsavoury. I support free speech.
  - ptah 7y ago
    do you support organisations like isis having online platforms too?
    - smnra 7y ago
      Evidently.
  - anigbrowl 7y ago
    'Unsavory' is an interesting way to describe speech that instructs, encourages, or incites the commission of murder, which has a terminal effect on the speech of the people who die and and a chilling effect on the speech of those around them. Logically, it would appear that murder is the ultimate form of censorship, by not merely constraining speech but eliminating its very possibility. Perhaps you could articulate how you resolve this philosophical conundrum?
- Traster 7y ago
  The problem free speech message boards will always have is that the only people who seem to be genuinely motivated to post on free speech platforms are people who can't get on normal platforms. As a result free speech platforms almost always end up dominated by extremists and racists. Partly because they're the ones with the biggest motivation to use the platforms, but partly because their use of the platform drives away more moderate users. Plenty of people believe you have a right to free speech but also believe in their own right not to hang around and listen to you.
- HNLurker2 7y ago
  https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
anigbrowl 7y ago
But after reading the thread I see the intended public That seems an oddly teleological argument; judging the intention of a speaker by extrapolating from the response of a single person who replies to them enables drawing almost any conclusion you want. Given that you've commented to my post, isn't that like saying you are my intended audience - despite my having no way to know you were going to create a HN account yesterday?

by smnra 7y ago

ptah 7y ago

do you really intend to tie the concepts of free speech and racism together like this?

smnra 7y ago
I certainly do. Supporting free speech means supporting the right to say things you (and the majority of the population) find unsavoury. I support free speech.
- ptah 7y ago
  do you support organisations like isis having online platforms too?
  - smnra 7y ago
    Evidently.
- anigbrowl 7y ago
  'Unsavory' is an interesting way to describe speech that instructs, encourages, or incites the commission of murder, which has a terminal effect on the speech of the people who die and and a chilling effect on the speech of those around them. Logically, it would appear that murder is the ultimate form of censorship, by not merely constraining speech but eliminating its very possibility. Perhaps you could articulate how you resolve this philosophical conundrum?
Traster 7y ago
The problem free speech message boards will always have is that the only people who seem to be genuinely motivated to post on free speech platforms are people who can't get on normal platforms. As a result free speech platforms almost always end up dominated by extremists and racists. Partly because they're the ones with the biggest motivation to use the platforms, but partly because their use of the platform drives away more moderate users. Plenty of people believe you have a right to free speech but also believe in their own right not to hang around and listen to you.
HNLurker2 7y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

anigbrowl 7y ago

But after reading the thread I see the intended public That seems an oddly teleological argument; judging the intention of a speaker by extrapolating from the response of a single person who replies to them enables drawing almost any conclusion you want. Given that you've commented to my post, isn't that like saying you are my intended audience - despite my having no way to know you were going to create a HN account yesterday?