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I used to work summers in the Caribbean - organs failing at 104 is a pretty much total lie

by privateSFacct 7y ago

Cyph0n 7y ago
Agreed. I lived in the UAE where summers are consistently 40C+. No organs failures as far as I can remember.
- devy 7y ago
  The author specifically gave the external source[1] about this claim and it provides context. The title reads: Prevent Child Deaths in Hot Cars. It's advisory for child death in hot cars. Your anecdotal doesn't invalidate any of the health advisories in the link below. [1]: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/on-the-go/Pages/Prevent-Child-Deaths-in-Hot-Cars.aspx https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/on...
  - Cyph0n 7y ago
    Cool, thanks for clarifying!
Aromasin 7y ago
>organs failing at 104 is a pretty much total lie Actually it is a very well recorded phenomenon. Just because you and the people you work with may have adapted well does not mean that it is universal by any means. People die in heat waves regularly; normally diabetics with peripheral neuropathy who can't sweat enough to drop their internal temperature or people with heart problems who can't take the additional stress of lowering their temperature. [1] [2] [4] "Heat related mortality is similar in hot and cold parts of western Europe and in hot and cold parts of the United States. This implies that the populations of hot regions have adjusted by physiological or other means to their hotter summers."[3] Also, the metric for organs failing at 104 is entirely correct, just not with regards to external body temperature. Your organs will undoubtedly fail if your internal temperature is 104F/40C. I've had sepsis with a temperature of 40.9C and I would have died if it wasn't for quick treatment from the doctors. Quick anecdote; if you're ever in the situation where your body temperature starts to get that high, scream and shout until you get an actual doctor on hand - I had nurses who had no idea of the severity of my condition and would have left me to die through shear negligence. I was lucky enough that the surgeon for my leg injury decided to check how it was healing, and rushed to call in a team of 4 or 5 doctors to stabilise me as I went into shock from hyperthermia. Spent the next 24 hours covered with cold towels and ice swapped out regularly by some very apologetic nurses. [1] https://emj.bmj.com/content/22/3/185 https://emj.bmj.com/content/22/3/185 [2] https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130716-heat-wave-dehydration-stroke-summer-sweat/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130716-heat... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC192832/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC192832/ [4] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320226.php https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320226.php
- mynameisvlad 7y ago
  > Also, the metric for organs failing at 104 is entirely correct, just not with regards to external body temperature. Then it's not correct in this context, where everyone else was talking about external temperature.
  - Aromasin 7y ago
    104F external is still relevant in this context if we're talking about venerable people that can't regulate their internal temperature down from this; those being some children, elderly, diabetics, or pets. Their temperature keep rising until it hits this 104F. That's why I commented - it's not just semantics.
devy 7y ago
The author specifically said, "child's organ", not adults.

I used to work summers in the Caribbean - organs failing at 104 is a pretty much total lie

Cyph0n 7y ago

Agreed. I lived in the UAE where summers are consistently 40C+. No organs failures as far as I can remember.

devy 7y ago
The author specifically gave the external source[1] about this claim and it provides context. The title reads: Prevent Child Deaths in Hot Cars. It's advisory for child death in hot cars. Your anecdotal doesn't invalidate any of the health advisories in the link below. [1]: https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/on-the-go/Pages/Prevent-Child-Deaths-in-Hot-Cars.aspx https://www.healthychildren.org/English/safety-prevention/on...
- Cyph0n 7y ago
  Cool, thanks for clarifying!

Aromasin 7y ago

>organs failing at 104 is a pretty much total lie Actually it is a very well recorded phenomenon. Just because you and the people you work with may have adapted well does not mean that it is universal by any means. People die in heat waves regularly; normally diabetics with peripheral neuropathy who can't sweat enough to drop their internal temperature or people with heart problems who can't take the additional stress of lowering their temperature. [1] [2] [4] "Heat related mortality is similar in hot and cold parts of western Europe and in hot and cold parts of the United States. This implies that the populations of hot regions have adjusted by physiological or other means to their hotter summers."[3] Also, the metric for organs failing at 104 is entirely correct, just not with regards to external body temperature. Your organs will undoubtedly fail if your internal temperature is 104F/40C. I've had sepsis with a temperature of 40.9C and I would have died if it wasn't for quick treatment from the doctors. Quick anecdote; if you're ever in the situation where your body temperature starts to get that high, scream and shout until you get an actual doctor on hand - I had nurses who had no idea of the severity of my condition and would have left me to die through shear negligence. I was lucky enough that the surgeon for my leg injury decided to check how it was healing, and rushed to call in a team of 4 or 5 doctors to stabilise me as I went into shock from hyperthermia. Spent the next 24 hours covered with cold towels and ice swapped out regularly by some very apologetic nurses. [1] https://emj.bmj.com/content/22/3/185 https://emj.bmj.com/content/22/3/185 [2] https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130716-heat-wave-dehydration-stroke-summer-sweat/ https://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/07/130716-heat... [3] https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC192832/ https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC192832/ [4] https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320226.php https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320226.php

mynameisvlad 7y ago
> Also, the metric for organs failing at 104 is entirely correct, just not with regards to external body temperature. Then it's not correct in this context, where everyone else was talking about external temperature.
- Aromasin 7y ago
  104F external is still relevant in this context if we're talking about venerable people that can't regulate their internal temperature down from this; those being some children, elderly, diabetics, or pets. Their temperature keep rising until it hits this 104F. That's why I commented - it's not just semantics.

devy 7y ago

The author specifically said, "child's organ", not adults.