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The swing of the article "Look we told you so" really rubs me the wrong way. But it seems to represent the view of a large part of the Automotive industry. Inst

The swing of the article "Look we told you so" really rubs me the wrong way. But it seems to represent the view of a large part of the Automotive industry. Instead of driving innovation forward, they shy away of the problems that introducing such innovation could have. Instead it seems the industry relies on shaming innovators for the issues of first generation future tech. This reminds me a lot of Steve Ballmer mocking the first iPhone: https://youtu.be/eywi0h_Y5_U https://youtu.be/eywi0h_Y5_U The most likely outcome is that they will figure it out, and much earlier than any of their competitors.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago
Buying off the shelf parts is not innovation. Especially when they are not suited to purpose and you ignore the vendor's own reliability figures.
- naikrovek 7y ago
  They did preliminary testing and the displays worked fine. Elon made a judgement call to give the go-ahead. His rationale being that no automotive grade screens that size we're available because no one did any testing on them. It was only real-world exposure that revealed the mistake in part choice. Did you RTFA? Edit: ooh I'm so scared. Use ALL your alternate accounts to down vote me! Or, you could discuss where I'm wrong like a 12-year old.
  - Phillipharryt 7y ago
    Do you really think people are using alt accounts (a pain to get enough karma to allow downvoting on here) or could it just be they disagree with you making claims that aren't in the article? It doesn't say anything about Musk's rationale.
    - tempestn 7y ago
      Even aside from making unsubstantiated claims, the "Did you RTFA?" line would be enough for a downvote from me.
      - naikrovek 7y ago
        Ok I can't argue that. It can be warranted when someone doesn't do the reading, however.
- azhenley 7y ago
  I agree, but I bet we begin seeing other car companies using large displays and suddenly display manufacturers will start selling properly-designed, large displays.
  - bilbo0s 7y ago
    Well, just to be fair, that's something that would have happened with or without Tesla. You saw those prototype screens at auto shows like Detroit years ago. Crucially, the prototypes were all automotive grade. In this case, Tesla simply wanted to be ahead of the curve. Worked for a while, then the known failure rate of the parts caught up. Whether or not it was worth it depends on the strategic intent and whether or not that bet paid off. We'd really need more information to make that call. And Tesla is not going to give anyone on this thread access to the strategic and financial information necessary.
    - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
      Not that I've put much thought into it and not that it really matters in the context of the conversation, but if I was a manufacturer building a concept car I wouldn't bother using automotive grade components. It's not like they're built to drive any kind of serious mileage (if at all).
    - kkarakk 7y ago
      Most cars STILL have garbage grade(usability wise) ugly looking touchscreen interfaces, i think you over estimate tesla's competition
      - bilbo0s 7y ago
        The companies displaying display screens at any given automotive show, would not be Tesla competitors. They would be the display parts manufacturers. The point was that display parts guys have been trying to up sell auto makers for years. So the larger screens would have, and did, exist in any case. It's just that no one was buying. Too expensive. But yeah, with or without Tesla, obviously the screens would have existed.
mannykannot 7y ago
Reading between the lines, I think some of the owners who have the problem are really rubbed the wrong way by Tesla's decision to stop replacing broken units.
reitzensteinm 7y ago
Tesla made a bold trade off and it was a clear win - until they stopped replacing the failing units. But now the "good will" repairs are over, the smug attitude of the article is more or less deserved.
mrpopo 7y ago
I would prefer innovation to be driven by durability and usability standards, rather than huge, bright, addictive LCD touchscreens.
cmsonger 7y ago
> The most likely outcome is that they will figure it out, and much earlier than any of their competitors. Disagree. The most likely outcome is that many folks who paid a lot of money for a car end up with a car with a screen that's flawed in some way. (I own an S that has the yellow box.) It is also possible Tesla "figures it out" earlier than their competitors; but that's less likely as the former is now a certainty.

kevin_thibedeau 7y ago

Buying off the shelf parts is not innovation. Especially when they are not suited to purpose and you ignore the vendor's own reliability figures.

naikrovek 7y ago
They did preliminary testing and the displays worked fine. Elon made a judgement call to give the go-ahead. His rationale being that no automotive grade screens that size we're available because no one did any testing on them. It was only real-world exposure that revealed the mistake in part choice. Did you RTFA? Edit: ooh I'm so scared. Use ALL your alternate accounts to down vote me! Or, you could discuss where I'm wrong like a 12-year old.
- Phillipharryt 7y ago
  Do you really think people are using alt accounts (a pain to get enough karma to allow downvoting on here) or could it just be they disagree with you making claims that aren't in the article? It doesn't say anything about Musk's rationale.
  - tempestn 7y ago
    Even aside from making unsubstantiated claims, the "Did you RTFA?" line would be enough for a downvote from me.
    - naikrovek 7y ago
      Ok I can't argue that. It can be warranted when someone doesn't do the reading, however.
azhenley 7y ago
I agree, but I bet we begin seeing other car companies using large displays and suddenly display manufacturers will start selling properly-designed, large displays.
- bilbo0s 7y ago
  Well, just to be fair, that's something that would have happened with or without Tesla. You saw those prototype screens at auto shows like Detroit years ago. Crucially, the prototypes were all automotive grade. In this case, Tesla simply wanted to be ahead of the curve. Worked for a while, then the known failure rate of the parts caught up. Whether or not it was worth it depends on the strategic intent and whether or not that bet paid off. We'd really need more information to make that call. And Tesla is not going to give anyone on this thread access to the strategic and financial information necessary.
  - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
    Not that I've put much thought into it and not that it really matters in the context of the conversation, but if I was a manufacturer building a concept car I wouldn't bother using automotive grade components. It's not like they're built to drive any kind of serious mileage (if at all).
  - kkarakk 7y ago
    Most cars STILL have garbage grade(usability wise) ugly looking touchscreen interfaces, i think you over estimate tesla's competition
    - bilbo0s 7y ago
      The companies displaying display screens at any given automotive show, would not be Tesla competitors. They would be the display parts manufacturers. The point was that display parts guys have been trying to up sell auto makers for years. So the larger screens would have, and did, exist in any case. It's just that no one was buying. Too expensive. But yeah, with or without Tesla, obviously the screens would have existed.

mannykannot 7y ago

Reading between the lines, I think some of the owners who have the problem are really rubbed the wrong way by Tesla's decision to stop replacing broken units.

reitzensteinm 7y ago

Tesla made a bold trade off and it was a clear win - until they stopped replacing the failing units. But now the "good will" repairs are over, the smug attitude of the article is more or less deserved.

mrpopo 7y ago

I would prefer innovation to be driven by durability and usability standards, rather than huge, bright, addictive LCD touchscreens.

cmsonger 7y ago

> The most likely outcome is that they will figure it out, and much earlier than any of their competitors. Disagree. The most likely outcome is that many folks who paid a lot of money for a car end up with a car with a screen that's flawed in some way. (I own an S that has the yellow box.) It is also possible Tesla "figures it out" earlier than their competitors; but that's less likely as the former is now a certainty.