Right, which is why I'm saying that means there's been a failure scenario that existed even prior to MCAS. This is how they have demo'd the problem in some flig

Right, which is why I'm saying that means there's been a failure scenario that existed even prior to MCAS. This is how they have demo'd the problem in some flight simulators for this. The electric trim can without MCAS erroneously drive the trim into this situation before being cut out. This is why the cutout switches were put in place decades ago. If this happens in some situations it could leaving the plane in a position where the trim couldn't be manually adjusted due to forces. We now know this situation also exists. Is it so rare, or resolvable in other ways, so it shouldn't be addressed? Or does there also need to be a fix for the manual trim by adjusting the gear/pulley ratio such that the pilot could overcome these forces?