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My point was that the hospitals don't turn you away if you are in need of urgent care. That statistic is looking at patients who avoided regular healthcare due

My point was that the hospitals don't turn you away if you are in need of urgent care. That statistic is looking at patients who avoided regular healthcare due to lack of insurance. Which is a problem. And if we're looking at that, you have to look at the other side of the coin. Socialized healthcare systems have much larger wait times and you can find deaths attributed to those, so it's disingenuous to say ZERO people died in countries that have universal healthcare. More research needs to be done before enforcing such a system on a wide scale in America. There has been data suggesting deaths and suffering related from long wait times in Canada. Then you have the increase of Canadians coming to America to escape the wait times. As well what we've seen with VA and ObamaCare wait times. > 25,456 and 63,090 Canadian women may have died as a result of increased wait times between 1993 and 2009 https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bacchus-barua-/wait-times-canada_b_5505110.html https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/bacchus-barua-/wait-times-cana... Basically you trade the fear of going into debt and not getting healthcare vs wanting to get healthcare and not being allowed to for an arbitrary amount of time. There are more pros and cons to each system, but my point is that socialized healthcare systems has it's fault and certainly does cause deaths in some instances. > 19.8 weeks between referral from a general practitioner and receipt of treatment > across the 10 provinces, the total number of procedures for which people are waiting in 2018 is 1,082,541 https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wait-times-for-health-care-in-canada-2018 https://www.fraserinstitute.org/studies/waiting-your-turn-wa...

cyphar 7y ago
> Socialized healthcare systems have much larger wait times. That's because in the US, a very large proportion of people go to the ER instead of the normal in-patient process that universal healthcare countries use for non-emergency problems. US hospitals have very long waiting times for ER for this reason. Here in Australia, I've needed to go to the ER before and there wasn't a waiting time (though obviously this depends on the time of day and what hospital you go to). This is all due to lack of funding and staffing for hospitals, not for any other reason. > More research needs to be done before enforcing such a system on a wide scale in America. I'm pretty sure the existence of this system across the developed world is sufficient research to show that it works. Even with these worries you have, the healthcare system would be orders of magnitude better than what you have now.

cyphar 7y ago

> Socialized healthcare systems have much larger wait times. That's because in the US, a very large proportion of people go to the ER instead of the normal in-patient process that universal healthcare countries use for non-emergency problems. US hospitals have very long waiting times for ER for this reason. Here in Australia, I've needed to go to the ER before and there wasn't a waiting time (though obviously this depends on the time of day and what hospital you go to). This is all due to lack of funding and staffing for hospitals, not for any other reason. > More research needs to be done before enforcing such a system on a wide scale in America. I'm pretty sure the existence of this system across the developed world is sufficient research to show that it works. Even with these worries you have, the healthcare system would be orders of magnitude better than what you have now.