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Even the Facebook comments on a geeky announcement like this make me question humanity. "Lol... what?" "May as well call this site HACKBOOK! IT'S ALL GARBAGE N

by huntero 16y ago

Even the Facebook comments on a geeky announcement like this make me question humanity. "Lol... what?" "May as well call this site HACKBOOK! IT'S ALL GARBAGE NOW!" "This is freaking scary coz pipol will be able to hack into any fb ccount they want to. This is crack..." Let's not forget that we all live inside a cozy little bubble where some level of intelligence and familiarity with technology can be assumed.

tlrobinson 16y ago
Yeah, but I'm glad Facebook (and especially Zuckerberg) is doing their part to change mainstream perception of the word "hack". For example in the 60 Minutes interview: "I see 'hack' everywhere: 'Hack,'" Stahl pointed out. "It has a negative connotation, doesn't it?" "When we say hacker, there's this whole definition that engineers have for themselves, where it's very much a compliment when you call someone a hacker, where to hack something means to build something very quickly, right? In one night, you can sit down and you could churn out a lot of code, and at the end, you have a product," Zuckerberg explained. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wucE5Giko&t=2m20s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wucE5Giko&t=2m20s
- yesno 16y ago
  ... and bugs... lots of bugs... of course bugs in your Facebook albums are exceptions. I wish I could write code without consequences during maintenance stage :(
  - yesno 16y ago
    Not quite sure why this is being downvoted but let me put my more "politically correct" hat on. I don't feel strongly with the presence of the word hack in the same line with engineering. They just don't gel. I rarely and hardly seen any engineers pulling one-nighter writing code with lack of automation tests. I see a lot of young hackers do that. I would strongly suggest the downvoters go to InfoQ.com and search for Aditya's presentation regarding Facebook engineering to understand the issues arise for having a "hacker" culture. And I'm telling you the fact that Facebook albums have had UI bugs; they frequently re-appear after what I felt is a re-deploy of their updates/newer versions of the website Back button doesn't necessarily work sometime One can see other people pictures but can't see their album (can't click the "photo" link but can click the photo in their profile page) On iPhone, often one can't see "more..." pictures. When I say those bugs in Facebook albums are exceptions, I truly mean it. Facebook can have buggy code yet they probably won't get penalized by their user. None of their user fled for other social networking sites.
    - pedalpete 16y ago
      I don't have any knowledge of the inside workings of FB, but I think some of the issues you are referring to could be caused by 1) ajax errors, packets get dropped, it is going to happen 2) single server instances that somehow didn't get updated. Again, if you think of the number of servers they are running, and the update process across multiple datacenters, I'm sure it is entirely possible that one or two servers take longer to update, or something gets missed and isn't recognized until a later update. I don't think we can call the fb code 'buggy'. Their ability to scale and manage the volume of data along with how quickly they are constantly making major updates to their entire system is mind boggling. To me anyway, but I'm sure you are a much better programmer than I am.
    - tlrobinson 16y ago
      I agree "hacking" and "engineering" aren't the same thing, but they're good complementary skills to have as a developer. Hackathons are great for prototyping ideas/products/proof of concepts. Engineering is essential for building large/stable/scalable systems. Clearly Facebook is good at both. I like to think of myself as both a hacker and an engineer. Neither word describes what I do completely.
      - yesno 16y ago
        Whether FB wants to call it hackathons, hack-a-tack, tick-hack-toe doesn't matter. But the message from the parent here is that it's cool to build a product by pulling one-nighter. (And we all know that's the culture in Facebook). The same theme again and again that sort of... screw our industry as a whole: romanticizing the notion of hacker. On the other hand, I don't think FB Chat was written in one-night.

by huntero 16y ago

tlrobinson 16y ago

Yeah, but I'm glad Facebook (and especially Zuckerberg) is doing their part to change mainstream perception of the word "hack". For example in the 60 Minutes interview: "I see 'hack' everywhere: 'Hack,'" Stahl pointed out. "It has a negative connotation, doesn't it?" "When we say hacker, there's this whole definition that engineers have for themselves, where it's very much a compliment when you call someone a hacker, where to hack something means to build something very quickly, right? In one night, you can sit down and you could churn out a lot of code, and at the end, you have a product," Zuckerberg explained. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wucE5Giko&t=2m20s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_wucE5Giko&t=2m20s

yesno 16y ago
... and bugs... lots of bugs... of course bugs in your Facebook albums are exceptions. I wish I could write code without consequences during maintenance stage :(
- yesno 16y ago
  Not quite sure why this is being downvoted but let me put my more "politically correct" hat on. I don't feel strongly with the presence of the word hack in the same line with engineering. They just don't gel. I rarely and hardly seen any engineers pulling one-nighter writing code with lack of automation tests. I see a lot of young hackers do that. I would strongly suggest the downvoters go to InfoQ.com and search for Aditya's presentation regarding Facebook engineering to understand the issues arise for having a "hacker" culture. And I'm telling you the fact that Facebook albums have had UI bugs; they frequently re-appear after what I felt is a re-deploy of their updates/newer versions of the website Back button doesn't necessarily work sometime One can see other people pictures but can't see their album (can't click the "photo" link but can click the photo in their profile page) On iPhone, often one can't see "more..." pictures. When I say those bugs in Facebook albums are exceptions, I truly mean it. Facebook can have buggy code yet they probably won't get penalized by their user. None of their user fled for other social networking sites.
  - pedalpete 16y ago
    I don't have any knowledge of the inside workings of FB, but I think some of the issues you are referring to could be caused by 1) ajax errors, packets get dropped, it is going to happen 2) single server instances that somehow didn't get updated. Again, if you think of the number of servers they are running, and the update process across multiple datacenters, I'm sure it is entirely possible that one or two servers take longer to update, or something gets missed and isn't recognized until a later update. I don't think we can call the fb code 'buggy'. Their ability to scale and manage the volume of data along with how quickly they are constantly making major updates to their entire system is mind boggling. To me anyway, but I'm sure you are a much better programmer than I am.
  - tlrobinson 16y ago
    I agree "hacking" and "engineering" aren't the same thing, but they're good complementary skills to have as a developer. Hackathons are great for prototyping ideas/products/proof of concepts. Engineering is essential for building large/stable/scalable systems. Clearly Facebook is good at both. I like to think of myself as both a hacker and an engineer. Neither word describes what I do completely.
    - yesno 16y ago
      Whether FB wants to call it hackathons, hack-a-tack, tick-hack-toe doesn't matter. But the message from the parent here is that it's cool to build a product by pulling one-nighter. (And we all know that's the culture in Facebook). The same theme again and again that sort of... screw our industry as a whole: romanticizing the notion of hacker. On the other hand, I don't think FB Chat was written in one-night.