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Yes, I forgot about Russian gas. The US basically had to threaten the EU with tarrifs (hint: on vehicles, I wonder who's EU's biggest vehicle producer) if we do

by petre 8y ago

Yes, I forgot about Russian gas. The US basically had to threaten the EU with tarrifs (hint: on vehicles, I wonder who's EU's biggest vehicle producer) if we don't import LPG from the US to reduce dependency on Russian gas. Norway, your other suppiler, isn't building any new capacity either. Wait, your country is building coal plants in 2019? At least reconvert them to gas or oil. Otherwise I agree that the difference is small. Your country is probably exporting for cents at a dollar during wind peaks and importing at night when France sells surplus nuclear energy at a discount. The issue with many variable renewables in the mix is that you have to build excess transport capacity which only gets used during peaks. Not to mention that solar has 0.2 max capacity factor and wind around 0.45 - the difference between that and 1 is idling.

Krasnol 8y ago
> The US basically had to threaten the EU with tarrifs f we don't import LPG from the US to reduce dependency on Russian gas. Norway, your other suppiler, isn't building any new capacity either. I don't get what you want to say with all that. Of course Norway is not expanding capacity. Why should they? Renewables are coming. Here and there. And if the US wants to deliver cheaper LPG, why shouldn't we buy it? > Wait, your country is building coal plants in 2019? At least reconvert them to gas or oil. You don't start building something like that the year before it's finished and no. There are no new coal plants planned. The exit from coal is planned and no the ones that have been finished last year or the year before and never been turned on will not be converted to gas or oil because nobody needs that too. How is it you don't get that? I gave you an overview over a whole years energy production in Germany. We're selling the stuff for cheap in masses.
- petre 8y ago
  > And if the US wants to deliver cheaper LPG, why shouldn't we buy it? Because it requires building a terminal in Hamburg or another Baltic port and a distribution pipeline. It's easier to keep buying from Russia. What you do not understand is how energy is being produced/sold. Supply has to meet demand at all times, otherwise energy is sold at a discount or lost. Pure end of the year statistics don't mean much.
  - Krasnol 8y ago
    We're doing both at the moment and what you don't understand is that if you have more then one source for the product you want and the producers really really want to sell it, you are in a better position then being depended on one source. Something that will surely be a risk with Russia being Russia. The new regulations the EU will probably slam onto the project will also add to the good outcome. And all this for a technology that in the end will be and probably already is a bridge and backup between the old and new energy sources.

by petre 8y ago

Krasnol 8y ago

> The US basically had to threaten the EU with tarrifs f we don't import LPG from the US to reduce dependency on Russian gas. Norway, your other suppiler, isn't building any new capacity either. I don't get what you want to say with all that. Of course Norway is not expanding capacity. Why should they? Renewables are coming. Here and there. And if the US wants to deliver cheaper LPG, why shouldn't we buy it? > Wait, your country is building coal plants in 2019? At least reconvert them to gas or oil. You don't start building something like that the year before it's finished and no. There are no new coal plants planned. The exit from coal is planned and no the ones that have been finished last year or the year before and never been turned on will not be converted to gas or oil because nobody needs that too. How is it you don't get that? I gave you an overview over a whole years energy production in Germany. We're selling the stuff for cheap in masses.

petre 8y ago
> And if the US wants to deliver cheaper LPG, why shouldn't we buy it? Because it requires building a terminal in Hamburg or another Baltic port and a distribution pipeline. It's easier to keep buying from Russia. What you do not understand is how energy is being produced/sold. Supply has to meet demand at all times, otherwise energy is sold at a discount or lost. Pure end of the year statistics don't mean much.
- Krasnol 8y ago
  We're doing both at the moment and what you don't understand is that if you have more then one source for the product you want and the producers really really want to sell it, you are in a better position then being depended on one source. Something that will surely be a risk with Russia being Russia. The new regulations the EU will probably slam onto the project will also add to the good outcome. And all this for a technology that in the end will be and probably already is a bridge and backup between the old and new energy sources.