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16000 warrants for people having sex with their sleeping sex partner without a condom? Did those 16000 also enjoy 16 million pounds of police surveillance and

by blub 7y ago

16000 warrants for people having sex with their sleeping sex partner without a condom? Did those 16000 also enjoy 16 million pounds of police surveillance and an international man hunt? This is great news. If we continue to invest so much effort in solving the slightest hint of sexual inappropriateness we'll completely eliminate sexual crimes. Perhaps even sex itself.

DanielleMolloy 7y ago
Also, Ecuador is right now preparing to send all his belongings to the US (not the UK, not Sweden - the US): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19899168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19899168 ..what a curious case of a "rape prosecution".
- peeters 7y ago
  What makes you think that has anything to do with the "rape prosecution"? The U.S. is not hiding the fact that they're seeking Assange's extradition on conspiracy charges. Don't see what this has to do with the allegations from Sweden.
PJDK 7y ago
16000 people going through these fairly mundane bit of EU legal procedures. Some of them will have done worse things, but many of them will have done much less worse things (like the aforementioned chicken theft. What international manhunt? Man runs into embassy escaping bail - police wait outside. What other outcome could there have been?
- blub 7y ago
  So the actual number of extradition requests for alleged sleep-sex-offenders could actually be 0, you didn't even check in detail? This is quite anti-climatic. Alternative outcome: the brits spare 16m £, which they can then invest in fighting real crime. They arrest the alleged offender when flying or at any routine control, since he's not a danger to anyone. Anyone except those unmasked by the leaks.
  - PJDK 7y ago
    I'm afraid that data isn't readily available - although I'm sure it's public somewhere But...this is a serious crime we're talking about here, I'm not sure why you think otherwise?
  - SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
    I'm not sure why you're trying to hand-wave this away by using language like "alleged sleep-sex-offenders" and "having sex with their sleeping sex partner without a condom". If this falls under the definition of rape in Sweden then the extradition request is for just that - a charge of rape. This is a very serious crime. Whether you agree with their definition or not doesn't really affect the legality or validity of the request. If you think these charges are bogus because of some grander conspiracy against a personal hero of yours just say, there are plenty of others in this thread who'll gladly back you up.
    - blub 7y ago
      I think everyones's focus on the man and the crime is bogus, because the courts will either way reach a decision hopefully resembling justice. The public should focus on the war crimes, torture and corruption, because this will end up in the history books.
      - r3bl 7y ago
        One act, regardless of how heroic it might be, doesn't mean that the person should be free from consequences for the rest of their lives. The US extraditing him for conspiracy charges would be really tragic. Sweden wanting to hold him accountable for his behavior afterwards is completely fine.
        blub 7y ago
        I already said the courts will take care of it. Why is everyone focusing so much on a person that's had their minutes of fame instead of the crimes they exposed? This whole thread is full of people debating the definition of rape. Is everyone working for the Swedish prosecution or how is this in any way relevant to anything...
- belorn 7y ago
  > but many of them will have done much less worse things (like the aforementioned chicken theft. Please point to an actually case where Sweden has issued an European arrest warrant for a lesser crime. I have looked and could not find a single one.

by blub 7y ago

DanielleMolloy 7y ago

Also, Ecuador is right now preparing to send all his belongings to the US (not the UK, not Sweden - the US): https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19899168 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19899168 ..what a curious case of a "rape prosecution".

peeters 7y ago
What makes you think that has anything to do with the "rape prosecution"? The U.S. is not hiding the fact that they're seeking Assange's extradition on conspiracy charges. Don't see what this has to do with the allegations from Sweden.

PJDK 7y ago

16000 people going through these fairly mundane bit of EU legal procedures. Some of them will have done worse things, but many of them will have done much less worse things (like the aforementioned chicken theft. What international manhunt? Man runs into embassy escaping bail - police wait outside. What other outcome could there have been?

blub 7y ago
So the actual number of extradition requests for alleged sleep-sex-offenders could actually be 0, you didn't even check in detail? This is quite anti-climatic. Alternative outcome: the brits spare 16m £, which they can then invest in fighting real crime. They arrest the alleged offender when flying or at any routine control, since he's not a danger to anyone. Anyone except those unmasked by the leaks.
- PJDK 7y ago
  I'm afraid that data isn't readily available - although I'm sure it's public somewhere But...this is a serious crime we're talking about here, I'm not sure why you think otherwise?
- SmellyGeekBoy 7y ago
  I'm not sure why you're trying to hand-wave this away by using language like "alleged sleep-sex-offenders" and "having sex with their sleeping sex partner without a condom". If this falls under the definition of rape in Sweden then the extradition request is for just that - a charge of rape. This is a very serious crime. Whether you agree with their definition or not doesn't really affect the legality or validity of the request. If you think these charges are bogus because of some grander conspiracy against a personal hero of yours just say, there are plenty of others in this thread who'll gladly back you up.
  - blub 7y ago
    I think everyones's focus on the man and the crime is bogus, because the courts will either way reach a decision hopefully resembling justice. The public should focus on the war crimes, torture and corruption, because this will end up in the history books.
    - r3bl 7y ago
      One act, regardless of how heroic it might be, doesn't mean that the person should be free from consequences for the rest of their lives. The US extraditing him for conspiracy charges would be really tragic. Sweden wanting to hold him accountable for his behavior afterwards is completely fine.
      - blub 7y ago
        I already said the courts will take care of it. Why is everyone focusing so much on a person that's had their minutes of fame instead of the crimes they exposed? This whole thread is full of people debating the definition of rape. Is everyone working for the Swedish prosecution or how is this in any way relevant to anything...
belorn 7y ago
> but many of them will have done much less worse things (like the aforementioned chicken theft. Please point to an actually case where Sweden has issued an European arrest warrant for a lesser crime. I have looked and could not find a single one.