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And do you think this browser is dethroning Chrome because "it's just so good," or much more likely, because Google's services are officially and unofficially b

by mtgx 7y ago

And do you think this browser is dethroning Chrome because "it's just so good," or much more likely, because Google's services are officially and unofficially being blocked/given the cold shoulder by many local businesses/local governments in China, while Alibaba's browsers gets to be put into everything else? The "huge Chinese market" is just a mirage created to lure greedy American companies into giving away their tech so that the local companies can be propped up/improve.

rossdavidh 7y ago
I am somewhat open to the content of your point, but put off by the vehemence of the language. Of course, you don't have to care what I think. But, I'm just letting you know that a more tactful and less heated way of phrasing the exact same content, would be more persuasive. Feel free to ignore this advice if you don't like it. Btw I'm not one of the ones who downvoted you, but I'm guessing at least some of them were affected similarly.
FussyZeus 7y ago
I mean Google and China's various state run tech corps is basically choosing whether to get punched by Lucifer's left or right hand. It's a matter of preference between two organizations whose stated goals are mass surveillance, one to sell you crap you don't need, the other to reinforce their social hierarchy. I don't get people who are on the Google train but anti-China, there's so much overlap between the two it's genuinely amusing to see people so hard up on one and so opposed to the other. Frankly the whole thing reeks of misdirected racism or possibly red scare? Like you're okay with a multibillion dollar corporation stalking you but not a Government? Seems like an odd line to draw but okay.
- verall 7y ago
  Does this _really_ seem like an odd line to draw? Like, even a multibillion dollar corporation like google, if it wanted to arrest me, it would seek the help of a government. Governments have the police and guns and stuff. I understand corporations can influence and share information with governments, but, obviously they are different. Obviously tons of people feel considerably more unconformable with their or another government knowing things than Google. And to be clear - I don't personally trust either of them at all. Google has shown themselves to be willing to help attempt to erase history in China and I'm sure would be all the more willing to do the same in my USA.
  - FussyZeus 7y ago
    > Like, even a multibillion dollar corporation like google, if it wanted to arrest me, it would seek the help of a government. Governments have the police and guns and stuff. Remember when 2K Games had that group of hackers who were creating cheats for GTA Online arrested and ruined their lives? > I understand corporations can influence and share information with governments, but, obviously they are different. Obviously tons of people feel considerably more unconformable with their or another government knowing things than Google. I know that, and I'm saying it's wrong, both of them are, and I find it strange that people are so ok with Google doing this stuff. Both of them are to be highly suspected, both of them do tons of unethical shit with tons of data they have no right to possess, and I just find it strange how everyone is largely ok with Google doing it, while hating China for it. > And to be clear - I don't personally trust either of them at all. Good. I'm not saying China's Government should be trusted, hell no, if that's how it came across I apologize. I'm saying they're both monsters that share a shocking number of characteristics.

by mtgx 7y ago

rossdavidh 7y ago

I am somewhat open to the content of your point, but put off by the vehemence of the language. Of course, you don't have to care what I think. But, I'm just letting you know that a more tactful and less heated way of phrasing the exact same content, would be more persuasive. Feel free to ignore this advice if you don't like it. Btw I'm not one of the ones who downvoted you, but I'm guessing at least some of them were affected similarly.

FussyZeus 7y ago

I mean Google and China's various state run tech corps is basically choosing whether to get punched by Lucifer's left or right hand. It's a matter of preference between two organizations whose stated goals are mass surveillance, one to sell you crap you don't need, the other to reinforce their social hierarchy. I don't get people who are on the Google train but anti-China, there's so much overlap between the two it's genuinely amusing to see people so hard up on one and so opposed to the other. Frankly the whole thing reeks of misdirected racism or possibly red scare? Like you're okay with a multibillion dollar corporation stalking you but not a Government? Seems like an odd line to draw but okay.

verall 7y ago
Does this _really_ seem like an odd line to draw? Like, even a multibillion dollar corporation like google, if it wanted to arrest me, it would seek the help of a government. Governments have the police and guns and stuff. I understand corporations can influence and share information with governments, but, obviously they are different. Obviously tons of people feel considerably more unconformable with their or another government knowing things than Google. And to be clear - I don't personally trust either of them at all. Google has shown themselves to be willing to help attempt to erase history in China and I'm sure would be all the more willing to do the same in my USA.
- FussyZeus 7y ago
  > Like, even a multibillion dollar corporation like google, if it wanted to arrest me, it would seek the help of a government. Governments have the police and guns and stuff. Remember when 2K Games had that group of hackers who were creating cheats for GTA Online arrested and ruined their lives? > I understand corporations can influence and share information with governments, but, obviously they are different. Obviously tons of people feel considerably more unconformable with their or another government knowing things than Google. I know that, and I'm saying it's wrong, both of them are, and I find it strange that people are so ok with Google doing this stuff. Both of them are to be highly suspected, both of them do tons of unethical shit with tons of data they have no right to possess, and I just find it strange how everyone is largely ok with Google doing it, while hating China for it. > And to be clear - I don't personally trust either of them at all. Good. I'm not saying China's Government should be trusted, hell no, if that's how it came across I apologize. I'm saying they're both monsters that share a shocking number of characteristics.