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Please don't turn this into a debate about Iraq, Bush, and our evil government. That's neither here nor there at the moment. Visa and Mastercard are not any of

Please don't turn this into a debate about Iraq, Bush, and our evil government. That's neither here nor there at the moment. Visa and Mastercard are not any of the forementioned and the people who DDoSed them commited a crime, plain and simple. The cost to PayPal etc is not known, but you can bet they (and their many customers) didn't deserve the "wrath" of these kids. I still think they should be brought to justice. What if you and your property suddenly came into the Internet mob's sites?

jacquesm 16y ago
I think it is very appropriate to drag Bush and the evil government in to it because if it weren't for that we wouldn't be having this massive support for wikileaks. The two are far more connected than you might think. Without the evil empire to play underdog to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks would be seen as a bunch of two bit hackers, now they are at the forefront of a movement that claims to want to improve society by enforcing greater transparency.
- coderdude 16y ago
  Support is emailing your senator, or doing _anything else_ other than commiting crimes. I don't see why this is turning into Tupac.
  - JeremyBanks 16y ago
    I haven't decided how I feel about this, but emailing your senator is likely to accomplish absolutely nothing, so perhaps more severe behaviour is somewhat understandable.
    - coderdude 16y ago
      But remember who the action is towards. Private organizations. Not the government. Just private organizations who chose to disassociate themselves with another private organization. When you step outside of this media frenzy/bubble we're all in that's what it boils down to. Then some people didn't like that and they committed a crime against PayPal, Visa, and Mastercard.
      - michaelchisari 16y ago
        Not just private organizations, but multi-national mega-corporations at the center of our financial system, with coffers that rival most nations GDP's, and, as Wikileaks has shown, a direct line to the most powerful governments in the world. So I think equating the targets of these virtual sit-ins with any private organization, like a small start-up with 5 employees, isn't really telling the whole story.
  - forza 16y ago
    How many packets are a crime? I understand if you want to arrest the RBNs of the world, but unfortunately it's more frequently some random person who are made an example of. I don't think the question is if what these people did was wrong, but if it's reasonable to punish them for it.
    - jacquesm 16y ago
      Just one person walking in to a store: not a problem. Just one person blocking the door to that store: problem. The number of actors and / or actions are not the criteria by which this will be judged, but their intent.

jacquesm 16y ago

I think it is very appropriate to drag Bush and the evil government in to it because if it weren't for that we wouldn't be having this massive support for wikileaks. The two are far more connected than you might think. Without the evil empire to play underdog to Julian Assange and WikiLeaks would be seen as a bunch of two bit hackers, now they are at the forefront of a movement that claims to want to improve society by enforcing greater transparency.

coderdude 16y ago
Support is emailing your senator, or doing _anything else_ other than commiting crimes. I don't see why this is turning into Tupac.
- JeremyBanks 16y ago
  I haven't decided how I feel about this, but emailing your senator is likely to accomplish absolutely nothing, so perhaps more severe behaviour is somewhat understandable.
  - coderdude 16y ago
    But remember who the action is towards. Private organizations. Not the government. Just private organizations who chose to disassociate themselves with another private organization. When you step outside of this media frenzy/bubble we're all in that's what it boils down to. Then some people didn't like that and they committed a crime against PayPal, Visa, and Mastercard.
    - michaelchisari 16y ago
      Not just private organizations, but multi-national mega-corporations at the center of our financial system, with coffers that rival most nations GDP's, and, as Wikileaks has shown, a direct line to the most powerful governments in the world. So I think equating the targets of these virtual sit-ins with any private organization, like a small start-up with 5 employees, isn't really telling the whole story.
- forza 16y ago
  How many packets are a crime? I understand if you want to arrest the RBNs of the world, but unfortunately it's more frequently some random person who are made an example of. I don't think the question is if what these people did was wrong, but if it's reasonable to punish them for it.
  - jacquesm 16y ago
    Just one person walking in to a store: not a problem. Just one person blocking the door to that store: problem. The number of actors and / or actions are not the criteria by which this will be judged, but their intent.