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If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape. Ther
by IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago
If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy, and you trick them into sex without a condom that is rape.
There may be differences of degrees to the stereotypical violent behind-the-bushes rape. Those should and would be considered for purposes of sentencing. But it's still rape.
- olalonde 7y ago> If someone consents to have sex only on the condition of protection from disease and pregnancy I had sex with a girl who lied about being on birth control. Was I raped?
- saagarjha 7y agoI would say so: you only provided consent under certain conditions, but these ended up being violated.
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- lostjohnny 7y ago(I see what you did there) There's a little difference, you wouldn't be the one getting pregnant. It's more like she lied about being HIV positive. That is, in fact, a crime.
- eloff 7y agoShe can get pregnant and use the courts to force you to pay child support for the next 18 years. I'd say it's no less serious.
- squarefoot 7y agoThat is a well known "business" in some places.
- lostjohnny 7y agoThat says a lot about how foolish men are in those "business" places, assuming they even exist...
- lostjohnny 7y agoShe can't get pregnant. You can make her pregnant. If you don't want to risk it, use a condom. Is it so hard?
- buttcoinslol 7y agoA minor difference: if you want to manage your own risk, you should assume could be lying about taking a birth control pill, whereas you can easily verify someone is wearing a condom. If I was uncertain whether someone was truly on the birth control pill, I would insist upon condoms if I wanted to fully hedge my risk. I do see the point you're trying make, but it's a complex issue. I could easily make an argument for the opposite case, that it is rape. But I think being able to verify a condom is being worn makes the situation different enough to treat differently from lying about being on the pill.
- burfog 7y agoIn some places, the law would call that "rape by deception".
- pluma 7y agoI would say it's not rape but it's definitely a con and should be illegal. The difference between being tricked into impregnating and being tricked into being impregnated is that impregnation only affects the bodily autonomy of the person being impregnated. There are other consequences and many of them are shared by both persons but the bodily autonomy part is present on in one.
- tomp 7y agoDoes the law actually say so? To what extent does "rape by lying" exist? I imagine "I'm actually not a doctor" or "let me just remove my makeup" don't count... How about not paying a prostitute after sex (assuming prostitution is legal), does it count as rape (she consented to sex on the condition of paying) or just theft? Are women that say they're on the pill but aren't, or that use the man's sperm to impregnate themselves after sex, rapists (edit: note that child support payments belong to the child, so rape victims still have to pay child support, no matter how unfair that might seem, although the rapist being jailed would still offer at least some satisfaction and dis-incentivize future crimes)?
- gsnedders 7y ago> Does the law actually say so? Assange argued that the accused act would not be illegal under English law; the High Court disagreed (and hence the dual criminality test was fulfilled).
- kweks 7y agoIt exists very clearly (but it does have limited scope..) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_by_deception
- reitzensteinm 7y ago
- rich-tea 7y agoThe continual broadening of the definition of rape will only dampen its impact and harm the few genuine victims of rape.
- lostjohnny 7y agoHow so?
- rich-tea 7y agoI refer you to the children's story "Crying Wolf".
- lostjohnny 7y agoThat's not what the story talks about. Do you remember it? First of all the story is titled "The Boy Who Cried Wolf" But, most importantly, the boy was "crying wolf" when there was no wolf.
- rich-tea 7y agoOh no, I got the title wrong! Yes, of course I remember what it is about. And, yes, it is perfectly applicable here.
- IfOnlyYouKnew 7y ago"the few genuine victims of rape" kinda gives away your attitude on the subject. At least you know that this sort of misogyny isn't well received in polite company and decided to create a new account for it.
- snvzz 7y agoWhy would it be misogyny rather than misandry or both?
- wtdata 7y agoThat would mean that a woman lying about being on the pill in order for a men to agree to have sex with her, would also constitute rape from her part.