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> Most people fly once a year at most. IIRC (from https://www.withouthotair.com/ https://www.withouthotair.com/ ) one round trip over Atlantic is around the sa

by js8 7y ago

> Most people fly once a year at most. IIRC (from https://www.withouthotair.com/ https://www.withouthotair.com/ ) one round trip over Atlantic is around the same carbon emmissions as a daily commute with the car. So things are not that simple. That's why I also think it needs to be cultural norm. There is small minority of people who air travel a lot. If we could somehow manage to change the norm so they would travel less (for example, stayed much longer in the same place), it would be great.

NotPaidToPost 7y ago
How often do most people fly across the Atlantic? My point remains: Air travel is not at the top of the list for the majority of people so let's not always mention it as an important action. It would probably be more productive to tell people to drop all fossil fuels energy at home, and for their car if they can.
- perfunctory 7y ago
  > Air travel is not at the top of the list Almost nothing is at the top of the list. As I mentioned there are not low hanging fruits. Everything is important. Also, not flying might be exactly something doing on individual level, while "drop all fossil fuels energy at home" requires infrastructure change. Also not-flying is a more publicly visible action which might inspire others to follow.
  - NotPaidToPost 7y ago
    The problem is we should stop with the PR bollocks of doing useless but "publicly visible" actions. There are real, important things at the top of the list. Changing electricity supplier, driving less, buying the most efficient car possible or an electric one (if you can charge it with non-fossil fuel sources), etc. should occupy the headlines more that "air travel is bad (TM)"
- js8 7y ago
  > Air travel is not at the top of the list for the majority of people so let's not always mention it as an important action. I disagree. It is important to realize its impact, so that we can organize the society so that it is not needed. The people who don't travel often still need to hold the minority accountable.

by js8 7y ago

NotPaidToPost 7y ago

How often do most people fly across the Atlantic? My point remains: Air travel is not at the top of the list for the majority of people so let's not always mention it as an important action. It would probably be more productive to tell people to drop all fossil fuels energy at home, and for their car if they can.

perfunctory 7y ago
> Air travel is not at the top of the list Almost nothing is at the top of the list. As I mentioned there are not low hanging fruits. Everything is important. Also, not flying might be exactly something doing on individual level, while "drop all fossil fuels energy at home" requires infrastructure change. Also not-flying is a more publicly visible action which might inspire others to follow.
- NotPaidToPost 7y ago
  The problem is we should stop with the PR bollocks of doing useless but "publicly visible" actions. There are real, important things at the top of the list. Changing electricity supplier, driving less, buying the most efficient car possible or an electric one (if you can charge it with non-fossil fuel sources), etc. should occupy the headlines more that "air travel is bad (TM)"
js8 7y ago
> Air travel is not at the top of the list for the majority of people so let's not always mention it as an important action. I disagree. It is important to realize its impact, so that we can organize the society so that it is not needed. The people who don't travel often still need to hold the minority accountable.