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I think there are important differences. We know that wastes has energy (otherwise they would not radiate), there are stored in a well specified area. Unfortun

I think there are important differences. We know that wastes has energy (otherwise they would not radiate), there are stored in a well specified area. Unfortunately nuclear energy had a very bad PR for past 50 years, as a result nobody wanted to do any searcher in areas related to it). It seems that it is slightly better now, environmental organizations at least are not trying to occupy nuclear reactors, unfortunately still they are pushing wind farms and solar farms, even though they cannot be usable on a massive scale without efficient way to store energy surplus.

pvaldes 7y ago
> nuclear energy had a very bad PR for past 50 years There is not a positive way to tell people that will be forced to quit their homes, workplaces and properties when nuclear problems eventually arose but hide information or lie systematically about it does not help, neither does the "see no evil/ what could happen?/ but nobody died / your cancer is not my fault" permanent defensive stance deployed again and again. Nuclear energy sector worked hard to earn the current mistrust
- roenxi 7y ago
  > There is not a positive way to tell people that will be forced to quit their homes, workplaces and properties when nuclear problems eventually arose ... That is an enormous problem, but the problem there is that governments aren't being held accountable for forcing people out of their homes. The Fukashima evacuation debatabley caused ~3 orders of magnitude more deaths than the Fukushima nuclear disaster ([0] see the sidebar for 2,000:1 figure and the opening paragraphs for the debatable part). When the cure is that much worse than the disease, we have to ask why we are forcing people to evacuate. Whenever the government enacts a policy there are the potential for statistical deaths. Approve a coal plant? Statistical deaths. Change safety standards? Statistical deaths. Drop speed limits? Statistical deaths. We can cope with some unidentifiable people being worse off. It happens all the time. The responses to nuclear risks are not only irrational, they are out of line with how we treat all other physical and chemical hazards. Statistical illness and deaths from nuclear are not worse than any other health issue. This is a fantastic time to use the science to make decisions, and it isn't at all obvious to what standard the exclusion zones are being managed. When the gap in damage done by the response and the crisis is that large there is a lot of room for questions to be asked (I wish I spoke Japanese so I could look up some primary reports on the subject). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...
  - baud147258 7y ago
    > Drop speed limits? Statistical deaths In that case, is there an increase or decrease in statistical deaths? We had a recent change here and I'm interested on how it might change things
  - pvaldes 7y ago
    > We have to ask why we are forcing people to evacuate I guess that maybe is for things like that: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2915/2004/1600/belarus.jpg http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2915/2004/1600/belarus.jp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disaster#/media/File:Kiev-UkrainianNationalChernobylMuseum_15.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disas...

pvaldes 7y ago

> nuclear energy had a very bad PR for past 50 years There is not a positive way to tell people that will be forced to quit their homes, workplaces and properties when nuclear problems eventually arose but hide information or lie systematically about it does not help, neither does the "see no evil/ what could happen?/ but nobody died / your cancer is not my fault" permanent defensive stance deployed again and again. Nuclear energy sector worked hard to earn the current mistrust

roenxi 7y ago
> There is not a positive way to tell people that will be forced to quit their homes, workplaces and properties when nuclear problems eventually arose ... That is an enormous problem, but the problem there is that governments aren't being held accountable for forcing people out of their homes. The Fukashima evacuation debatabley caused ~3 orders of magnitude more deaths than the Fukushima nuclear disaster ([0] see the sidebar for 2,000:1 figure and the opening paragraphs for the debatable part). When the cure is that much worse than the disease, we have to ask why we are forcing people to evacuate. Whenever the government enacts a policy there are the potential for statistical deaths. Approve a coal plant? Statistical deaths. Change safety standards? Statistical deaths. Drop speed limits? Statistical deaths. We can cope with some unidentifiable people being worse off. It happens all the time. The responses to nuclear risks are not only irrational, they are out of line with how we treat all other physical and chemical hazards. Statistical illness and deaths from nuclear are not worse than any other health issue. This is a fantastic time to use the science to make decisions, and it isn't at all obvious to what standard the exclusion zones are being managed. When the gap in damage done by the response and the crisis is that large there is a lot of room for questions to be asked (I wish I spoke Japanese so I could look up some primary reports on the subject). [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disaster_casualties https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_Daiichi_nuclear_disa...
- baud147258 7y ago
  > Drop speed limits? Statistical deaths In that case, is there an increase or decrease in statistical deaths? We had a recent change here and I'm interested on how it might change things
- pvaldes 7y ago
  > We have to ask why we are forcing people to evacuate I guess that maybe is for things like that: http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2915/2004/1600/belarus.jpg http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2915/2004/1600/belarus.jp... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disaster#/media/File:Kiev-UkrainianNationalChernobylMuseum_15.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Effects_of_the_Chernobyl_disas...