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> As they've always done through the media? The hardest thing to swallow, for some people, is that these things show very openly how democracy is deeply flawed.

> As they've always done through the media? The hardest thing to swallow, for some people, is that these things show very openly how democracy is deeply flawed. If you study a bit of History, or look beyond the western world, you will see how terrible the alternatives are. And you will see that democracy is something worth fighting for. Democracy is not flawed, it is hard. We have to fight for it, and the next generations will have to fight for it, and so on. It's real life. I haven't resigned myself to living in a Black Mirror episode.

perfmode 7y ago
Truth: Democracy has dependencies. Just (fair) access to education and opportunity is absolutely necessary for democracy to function.
- xtian 7y ago
  As early as Athenian democracy the dependencies had been identified as comprehensive education, quality information, and time to debate.
  - perfmode 7y ago
    interesting. got a link or reference? would love to read more
    - xtian 7y ago
      I might be misremembering but I think I heard that in a speech by John Ralston Saul. Sorry I can’t remember anything more specific!
  - GoblinSlayer 7y ago
    And the will to uphold democracy in the first place.
shard972 7y ago
> If you study a bit of History, or look beyond the western world, you will see how terrible the alternatives are. You might have missed Socrates in your reading of history I think. > And you will see that democracy is something worth fighting for. Democracy is not flawed, it is hard. Ok yep, maybe you should read some.
syshum 7y ago
Democracy is very very flawed, that is why the US is not a democracy, why at every level of government there are checks put in place to put in road blocks to democracy. And why it is so extremely dangerous that people are trying to destroy those checks and institute a direct democracy with things like the national popular vote.
- HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
  I believe you have terms misconstrued. What we in the US have is a representative democracy / republic that is also rather decentralized federation (states and state's rights) as well. The US is a democracy. 🇺🇸
  - ratsmack 7y ago
    I believe we, the US, is a Constitutional Republic, and we vote Democratically.
    - syshum 7y ago
      The original design of the government was to have only 1/2 of 1 branch of government Democratically Elected. That being the House The Senate was appointed by State Legislatures, this was changed with the 17th Amendment The President is Chosen by Electorial College not a democratic vote (which I support BTW) The Judicial Branch is Appointed for Life.
      - ratsmack 7y ago
        The Electoral College is one of the most significant aspects of our electoral system and hopefully will never be supplanted by popular vote.
    - rhacker 7y ago
      It is what we want it to be, even if it may take 100 more years to get there.
  - 7y ago

perfmode 7y ago

Truth: Democracy has dependencies. Just (fair) access to education and opportunity is absolutely necessary for democracy to function.

xtian 7y ago
As early as Athenian democracy the dependencies had been identified as comprehensive education, quality information, and time to debate.
- perfmode 7y ago
  interesting. got a link or reference? would love to read more
  - xtian 7y ago
    I might be misremembering but I think I heard that in a speech by John Ralston Saul. Sorry I can’t remember anything more specific!
- GoblinSlayer 7y ago
  And the will to uphold democracy in the first place.

shard972 7y ago

> If you study a bit of History, or look beyond the western world, you will see how terrible the alternatives are. You might have missed Socrates in your reading of history I think. > And you will see that democracy is something worth fighting for. Democracy is not flawed, it is hard. Ok yep, maybe you should read some.

syshum 7y ago

Democracy is very very flawed, that is why the US is not a democracy, why at every level of government there are checks put in place to put in road blocks to democracy. And why it is so extremely dangerous that people are trying to destroy those checks and institute a direct democracy with things like the national popular vote.

HeWhoLurksLate 7y ago
I believe you have terms misconstrued. What we in the US have is a representative democracy / republic that is also rather decentralized federation (states and state's rights) as well. The US is a democracy. 🇺🇸
- ratsmack 7y ago
  I believe we, the US, is a Constitutional Republic, and we vote Democratically.
  - syshum 7y ago
    The original design of the government was to have only 1/2 of 1 branch of government Democratically Elected. That being the House The Senate was appointed by State Legislatures, this was changed with the 17th Amendment The President is Chosen by Electorial College not a democratic vote (which I support BTW) The Judicial Branch is Appointed for Life.
    - ratsmack 7y ago
      The Electoral College is one of the most significant aspects of our electoral system and hopefully will never be supplanted by popular vote.
  - rhacker 7y ago
    It is what we want it to be, even if it may take 100 more years to get there.
- 7y ago