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No Tesla programmers have been arrested for Autopilot-related crashes.

by snazz 7y ago

toomuchtodo 7y ago
Tesla makes it extremely clear to its users what the shared responsibility model is for Autopilot features (through warning messages at each Autopilot engagement and in the user's manual for all Tesla vehicles), and has general counsel on staff to reinforce this through legal actions indemnifying their staff. Openpilot is a drastically different model. It is a software breadboard for your own vehicle. For example, this is laughable (from the repo): (Top) > openpilot is an open source driving agent. Currently, it performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS) for selected Honda, Toyota, Acura, Lexus, Chevrolet, Hyundai, Kia. It's about on par with Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise, and better than all other manufacturers. (Bottom) > THIS IS ALPHA QUALITY SOFTWARE FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY.
- djsumdog 7y ago
  I remember Germany regulators wanted Tesla to stop branding it as "auto-pilot" when really their features are more like Lane Assist and Adaptive Cruse that many other vehicles have. Also, Tesla's have had their share of issues (the car that ran into an off-ram barrier killing the driver, the guy who was passed out for hours before his Tesla crashed), but they're also a large enough company they've probably settled some or all of these cases out of court.
- mehrdada 7y ago
  It is laughable, because it is probably true. The quality of the systems produced by the named manufacturers is abysmal.
- netsharc 7y ago
  Well, what you mention Tesla does is the disclaimer part, but what Elon boasts about is the headline/first paragraph part...
rightbyte 7y ago
Tesla probably have the paperwork and certs in order when NTSB knocks the door. NHTSA have already shut down comma.ai products before. EDIT: I personally thinks it's a bit to reckless to let the general public use the Autopilot in it's present state. https://comma.ai/shop/products/eon-gold-dashcam-devkit https://comma.ai/shop/products/eon-gold-dashcam-devkit "Retrofit your car with a copilot." "Note: This product is not designed to drive a car. This product is designed to be a dashcam." With comma.ai hosting firmware via Github to do self-driving with it, it's hard to imagine that NTSB will buy that.
- theturtletalks 7y ago
  NHTSA came knocking and then openpilot was opensourced. It's to be used as a prototyping tool.
- mwfunk 7y ago
  To me, the fact that Hotz didn’t seem to realize that NHTSA was a thing that existed and that he should be talking to them makes me not trust anything the guy does. If someone can be that colossally ignorant about something that’s so central to what they’re trying to do, and they react to it by basically throwing a tantrum instead of trying to get their shit together and move forward constructively, it calls into question everything about them, including their actual expertise with stuff people think they’re experts in. It’s like finding out that the neurosurgeon who’s about to operate on you is also a flat earther- it doesn’t directly impact his ability to be a neurosurgeon, but it would be a big red flag that calls everything else into question.

No Tesla programmers have been arrested for Autopilot-related crashes.

by snazz 7y ago

No Tesla programmers have been arrested for Autopilot-related crashes.

Tesla makes it extremely clear to its users what the shared responsibility model is for Autopilot features (through warning messages at each Autopilot engagement and in the user's manual for all Tesla vehicles), and has general counsel on staff to reinforce this through legal actions indemnifying their staff. Openpilot is a drastically different model. It is a software breadboard for your own vehicle. For example, this is laughable (from the repo): (Top) > openpilot is an open source driving agent. Currently, it performs the functions of Adaptive Cruise Control (ACC) and Lane Keeping Assist System (LKAS) for selected Honda, Toyota, Acura, Lexus, Chevrolet, Hyundai, Kia. It's about on par with Tesla Autopilot and GM Super Cruise, and better than all other manufacturers. (Bottom) > THIS IS ALPHA QUALITY SOFTWARE FOR RESEARCH PURPOSES ONLY.

djsumdog 7y ago
I remember Germany regulators wanted Tesla to stop branding it as "auto-pilot" when really their features are more like Lane Assist and Adaptive Cruse that many other vehicles have. Also, Tesla's have had their share of issues (the car that ran into an off-ram barrier killing the driver, the guy who was passed out for hours before his Tesla crashed), but they're also a large enough company they've probably settled some or all of these cases out of court.
mehrdada 7y ago
It is laughable, because it is probably true. The quality of the systems produced by the named manufacturers is abysmal.
netsharc 7y ago
Well, what you mention Tesla does is the disclaimer part, but what Elon boasts about is the headline/first paragraph part...

rightbyte 7y ago

Tesla probably have the paperwork and certs in order when NTSB knocks the door. NHTSA have already shut down comma.ai products before. EDIT: I personally thinks it's a bit to reckless to let the general public use the Autopilot in it's present state. https://comma.ai/shop/products/eon-gold-dashcam-devkit https://comma.ai/shop/products/eon-gold-dashcam-devkit "Retrofit your car with a copilot." "Note: This product is not designed to drive a car. This product is designed to be a dashcam." With comma.ai hosting firmware via Github to do self-driving with it, it's hard to imagine that NTSB will buy that.

theturtletalks 7y ago
NHTSA came knocking and then openpilot was opensourced. It's to be used as a prototyping tool.
mwfunk 7y ago
To me, the fact that Hotz didn’t seem to realize that NHTSA was a thing that existed and that he should be talking to them makes me not trust anything the guy does. If someone can be that colossally ignorant about something that’s so central to what they’re trying to do, and they react to it by basically throwing a tantrum instead of trying to get their shit together and move forward constructively, it calls into question everything about them, including their actual expertise with stuff people think they’re experts in. It’s like finding out that the neurosurgeon who’s about to operate on you is also a flat earther- it doesn’t directly impact his ability to be a neurosurgeon, but it would be a big red flag that calls everything else into question.