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> Crying about this or that opinion being published, I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. I have, however,

> Crying about this or that opinion being published, I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. I honestly think such people do not exist. Can you cite any? This is surely not the cultural phenomenon you make it out to be. > Plus, the "children in cages" has been going on since forever one way or another. Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Are you suggesting that nobody should protest children being put in cages, simply because it has happened before? I don't understand. Since it has happened before, and it's awful, and it's happening again right now, don't you think we should stand up and stay that it should be stopped? > Even the Wall is nothing new, there has been a wall, beatings, and killings at the border well before Trump. Again, just because something isn't new doesn't have any bearing on it being bad or not. In fact I think it emphasizes how important these issues are. They persist and we must fight against them fully. > Now it's just fashionable to speak against it (because Trump), whereas under Obama 2 million could be deported and it was OK (and it didn't involve as many children imprisoned, so late night talk shows didn't feel the need to cover it) What are you talking about? Putting children in cages, family removals, etc of legal immigrants is completely different from deportations of illegal immigrants. Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. > There are "children in cages" all over Europe, in camps for immigrants (where they're not allowed to leave) That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling.

coldtea 7y ago
>I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. Well, I've seen then cry, demand it's unpublished, demand the person writing it is fired, and so on. >I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. Well, perhaps not looking unbiased enough. >Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Which I didn't say in the first place. My point is that as an old thing this is not related to the recent touchy-feely behavior I spoke against. (Nor of course are the people kept in cages, or the people who complain about them, are complaining about touchy feely issues). >Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. No, there are two threads here: 1) tons of younger people today complain about touchy feely issues, and 2) most younger people complain about these serious issues only when it becomes fashionable (e.g. now under Trump or previously under Bush, not before under Obama or Clinton). I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, and (2) the important issues should be complained all the time, not when it's in vogue. >That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling. Trolling is nowhere in the list of things that "allow this to happen". Capitalism, EU immigration policies, hypocrisy, exploitation, and other things are.
- marstomorrow 7y ago
  > 1) tons of younger people today complain about touchy feely issues Citation needed. And anyway, if it were true, why would that be bad? > 2) most younger people complain about these serious issues only when it becomes fashionable (e.g. now under Trump or previously under Bush, not before under Obama or Clinton). Oh wow that is so wrong and so offensive to boot. These are straight up lies. You have no backing to this. You are just making it up. I know this isn't true and it's extremely insulting. > I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, Wait. You are arguing that young people should be banned from discussing topics of their interest?! A total ban on free speech for the youth? what do you mean by this? Do you really mean to say that you would be in total control of the topics discussed by the youth of today? What kind of snowflake-led dictatorship would that be? Where the youth cannot even be allowed to discuss what they see fit? I'm stunned by this line of reasoning here.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >Citation needed. You really need a citation? Go look on social media for yourself, and the kind of trending complain posts. Or college campuses for that matter. Or youth oriented news outlets. >And anyway, if it were true, why would that be bad? Well, because for me people should be more resilience, less hysteric, and more adult. That's why. And because a society of touchy-feelers is a crippled society. Also the world is not a safe space, and life is not a Disney movie. People unprepared for it will only fail more, be more gullible, and make a mess of things (like an idiot who thinks all animals are like cute pets, and gets eaten by a wild animal). >Oh wow that is so wrong and so offensive to boot. These are straight up lies. You have no backing to this Yeah, I don't have "backing", e.g. some expert report by scientists, saying "Only 21% of the people complained about this under Obama, but 87% under Trump", and "67.4% didn't care, they just show it on some media, and will drop it again, when it's not trending anymore", as if those things exist. I only have my grasp of reality and observation skills. And my experience dealing with such things, and being involved with people across different decades, and seeing people jump on bandwagons, and going off again when it's not trendy anymore. >> I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, >> Wait. You are arguing that young people should be banned from discussing topics of their interest?! A total ban on free speech for the youth? what do you mean by this?* No, I'm saying that touchy feely issues should be dropped (e.g. voluntarily discarded by those peddling them). That said, your (strawman) suggestion is not bad. "A total ban on free speech for the youth" could be a good plan to me, if somewhat heavy handed. They can listen, learn and understand first, speak later (e.g. after 25 or so). As Bertolt Brecht once wrote (as a standing judge for a collection of crappy poems from young poets on social issues, most full of melodrama and naivety), "People shouldn't be allowed to write poems until they've completed their army service" (referring to the mandatory general conscription at his era, at around 18 y.o. or so, synonymous to becoming an adult). I'm half joking, though B.B did say that. But the point is that people should be able to listen to such suggestions and be "offended" without screaming bloody murder and run for "safe spaces".

coldtea 7y ago

>I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. Well, I've seen then cry, demand it's unpublished, demand the person writing it is fired, and so on. >I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. Well, perhaps not looking unbiased enough. >Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Which I didn't say in the first place. My point is that as an old thing this is not related to the recent touchy-feely behavior I spoke against. (Nor of course are the people kept in cages, or the people who complain about them, are complaining about touchy feely issues). >Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. No, there are two threads here: 1) tons of younger people today complain about touchy feely issues, and 2) most younger people complain about these serious issues only when it becomes fashionable (e.g. now under Trump or previously under Bush, not before under Obama or Clinton). I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, and (2) the important issues should be complained all the time, not when it's in vogue. >That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling. Trolling is nowhere in the list of things that "allow this to happen". Capitalism, EU immigration policies, hypocrisy, exploitation, and other things are.

marstomorrow 7y ago
> 1) tons of younger people today complain about touchy feely issues Citation needed. And anyway, if it were true, why would that be bad? > 2) most younger people complain about these serious issues only when it becomes fashionable (e.g. now under Trump or previously under Bush, not before under Obama or Clinton). Oh wow that is so wrong and so offensive to boot. These are straight up lies. You have no backing to this. You are just making it up. I know this isn't true and it's extremely insulting. > I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, Wait. You are arguing that young people should be banned from discussing topics of their interest?! A total ban on free speech for the youth? what do you mean by this? Do you really mean to say that you would be in total control of the topics discussed by the youth of today? What kind of snowflake-led dictatorship would that be? Where the youth cannot even be allowed to discuss what they see fit? I'm stunned by this line of reasoning here.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >Citation needed. You really need a citation? Go look on social media for yourself, and the kind of trending complain posts. Or college campuses for that matter. Or youth oriented news outlets. >And anyway, if it were true, why would that be bad? Well, because for me people should be more resilience, less hysteric, and more adult. That's why. And because a society of touchy-feelers is a crippled society. Also the world is not a safe space, and life is not a Disney movie. People unprepared for it will only fail more, be more gullible, and make a mess of things (like an idiot who thinks all animals are like cute pets, and gets eaten by a wild animal). >Oh wow that is so wrong and so offensive to boot. These are straight up lies. You have no backing to this Yeah, I don't have "backing", e.g. some expert report by scientists, saying "Only 21% of the people complained about this under Obama, but 87% under Trump", and "67.4% didn't care, they just show it on some media, and will drop it again, when it's not trending anymore", as if those things exist. I only have my grasp of reality and observation skills. And my experience dealing with such things, and being involved with people across different decades, and seeing people jump on bandwagons, and going off again when it's not trendy anymore. >> I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, >> Wait. You are arguing that young people should be banned from discussing topics of their interest?! A total ban on free speech for the youth? what do you mean by this?* No, I'm saying that touchy feely issues should be dropped (e.g. voluntarily discarded by those peddling them). That said, your (strawman) suggestion is not bad. "A total ban on free speech for the youth" could be a good plan to me, if somewhat heavy handed. They can listen, learn and understand first, speak later (e.g. after 25 or so). As Bertolt Brecht once wrote (as a standing judge for a collection of crappy poems from young poets on social issues, most full of melodrama and naivety), "People shouldn't be allowed to write poems until they've completed their army service" (referring to the mandatory general conscription at his era, at around 18 y.o. or so, synonymous to becoming an adult). I'm half joking, though B.B did say that. But the point is that people should be able to listen to such suggestions and be "offended" without screaming bloody murder and run for "safe spaces".