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On Usenet it always seemed to be a fishing metaphor, which is why people talk about taking the bait or spitting the hook. I'd try to find references for this b
by DanBC 8y ago
On Usenet it always seemed to be a fishing metaphor, which is why people talk about taking the bait or spitting the hook.
I'd try to find references for this but Google has fucked the search of Usenet archives.
There's this, which uses both meanings
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/ http://www.faqs.org/faqs/net-abuse-faq/troll-faq/
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Defining troll, flames and crossposts
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From the Jargon file (
http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/troll.html ):
troll v., n.
1. [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a posting on
Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames; or, the
post itself. Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in
turn comes from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one
trails bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-
constructed troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers
to make themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while
subtly conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact
a deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in
on it. See also YHBT.
2. An individual who chronically trolls in sense
1; regularly posts specious arguments, flames or personal attacks to a
newsgroup, discussion list, or in email for no other purpose than to
annoy someone or disrupt a discussion. Trolls are recognizable by the
fact that they have no real interest in learning about the topic at
hand - they simply want to utter flame bait. Like the ugly creatures
they are named after, they exhibit no redeeming characteristics, and
as such, they are recognized as a lower form of life on the net, as
in, "Oh, ignore him, he's just a troll." Compare kook.
3. [Berkeley]
Computer lab monitor. A popular campus job for CS students. Duties
include helping newbies and ensuring that lab policies are followed.
Probably so-called because it involves lurking in dark cavelike
corners.
Some people claim that the troll (sense 1) is properly a narrower
category than flame bait, that a troll is categorized by containing
some assertion that is wrong but not overtly controversial. See also
Troll-O-Meter.
The use of `troll' in either sense is a live metaphor that readily
produces elaborations and combining forms. For example, one not
infrequently sees the warning "Do not feed the troll" as part of a
follow-up to troll postings.
- emmelaich 8y ago> On Usenet it always seemed to be a fishing metaphor, which is why people talk about taking the bait or spitting the hook. This is why I'm certain it started out as 'trawling'. The conversion to 'troll' was a result of misspelling or misunderstanding the spoken word. Or perhaps just standard punning - one who trawls is a troll. "trawling for opinions" is a well-known and still often used phrase.
- DanBC 8y agoBut trolling is a type of fishing. Trawling uses long nets, trolling uses long lines with hooks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling_(fishing) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolling_(fishing)
- emmelaich 8y agoThanks. TIL. I'd still guess that it comes from the phrase "trawling for opinions" - everyone has heard of that phrase and knows what a "fishing trawler" is.