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> It's like going out in life expecting padded roads, walls, and everything, lest you ever get hurt... What? How offensive. Let me be clear, then. The United

> It's like going out in life expecting padded roads, walls, and everything, lest you ever get hurt... What? How offensive. Let me be clear, then. The United States is committing a genocide against minorities as we speak and it is enabled and emboldened by "trolls". This is not touchy-feely. This is children in cages, separated illegally from their families and put into places of extreme disrepair, unhealthy conditions, etc, while the President goes on TV to state that machine guns would be a more "effective solution". This is not touchy feely or snowflaky stuff and I honestly have no idea what you're talking about. What I'm talking about are trolls going online an on TV to spread messages of hate and cruelty. This directly results in human suffering and death of innocent people. There is no logic behind talking about using machine guns to kill people who are trying to legally migrate to your country. To make those statements is to wage a weapon of war and to do it online and on TV en masse is a new kind of trolling that is physically dangerous. Your ..... dismissal of the problems of youth....and use of .... to not finish...sentences makes it difficult to understand your point. Trolling in the modern era has nothing to do with any of this "touchy feely" or "snow-flakey" rubbish. It has to do with enabling genocide. Trolls normalize bad behavior to the point where it goes unpunished. Bad behavior to the extreme, unpunished from the top, for years on end, can and does result in really bad things like genocide. I'm not making leaps here. This is real, it is physical, it is urgent, and it matters.

coldtea 7y ago
>Let me be clear, then. The United States is committing a genocide against minorities as we speak and it is enabled and emboldened by "trolls". This is not touchy-feely. The United States has committed some soft of genocide or another since the days of the Native Americans. That's not touchy feely. Crying about this or that opinion being published, or whether a coworker can make or not make a comment, or what group is the more victimized for BS offenses (where usually the crying is made white middle/upper middle class self-appointed spokepersons) is. And I'm not talking about the "children in cages" either. This is obviously not a kind of "touchy feely" issue. Plus, the "children in cages" has been going on since forever one way or another. My people were hunted by the KKK back in the 20s and 30s for not being white enough. I've written (in other places) about the Mexican immigrants fueling the California agricultural sector, and how they're exploited and sent away when bosses are done with them (eg. the strawberry picking business). Even the Wall is nothing new, there has been a wall, beatings, and killings at the border well before Trump. Now it's just fashionable to speak against it (because Trump), whereas under Obama 2 million could be deported and it was OK (and it didn't involve as many children imprisoned, so late night talk shows didn't feel the need to cover it). Still, I'm not an American myself. But the hypocrisy is strong, as if all those "good souls" care about the "children in cages". There are "children in cages" all over Europe, in camps for immigrants (where they're not allowed to leave): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/life-in-italy-migrant-camps-a-photo-essay https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/life-in-italy-... >Your ..... dismissal of the problems of youth....and use of .... to not finish...sentences makes it difficult to understand your point. You could replace "..." with "." in my comment, and nothing would change of its point. Instead you've chose to point an inconsequential stylistic issue, and exaggerate it to death. Let's make my point even clearer: aside from general economic prospects (college debt and so on), there are no serious "problems of youth" in 2019 in the USA in the white middle/upper middle-class population that cries about being "traumatized" the most. It literally never had been better trauma-wise, today when people cry the most about it, for anything and everything. And I don't expect you to agree with this assessment. That's my opinion, it's a free universe.
- marstomorrow 7y ago
  > Crying about this or that opinion being published, I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. I honestly think such people do not exist. Can you cite any? This is surely not the cultural phenomenon you make it out to be. > Plus, the "children in cages" has been going on since forever one way or another. Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Are you suggesting that nobody should protest children being put in cages, simply because it has happened before? I don't understand. Since it has happened before, and it's awful, and it's happening again right now, don't you think we should stand up and stay that it should be stopped? > Even the Wall is nothing new, there has been a wall, beatings, and killings at the border well before Trump. Again, just because something isn't new doesn't have any bearing on it being bad or not. In fact I think it emphasizes how important these issues are. They persist and we must fight against them fully. > Now it's just fashionable to speak against it (because Trump), whereas under Obama 2 million could be deported and it was OK (and it didn't involve as many children imprisoned, so late night talk shows didn't feel the need to cover it) What are you talking about? Putting children in cages, family removals, etc of legal immigrants is completely different from deportations of illegal immigrants. Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. > There are "children in cages" all over Europe, in camps for immigrants (where they're not allowed to leave) That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling.
  - coldtea 7y ago
    >I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. Well, I've seen then cry, demand it's unpublished, demand the person writing it is fired, and so on. >I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. Well, perhaps not looking unbiased enough. >Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Which I didn't say in the first place. My point is that as an old thing this is not related to the recent touchy-feely behavior I spoke against. (Nor of course are the people kept in cages, or the people who complain about them, are complaining about touchy feely issues). >Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. No, there are two threads here: 1) tons of younger people today complain about touchy feely issues, and 2) most younger people complain about these serious issues only when it becomes fashionable (e.g. now under Trump or previously under Bush, not before under Obama or Clinton). I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, and (2) the important issues should be complained all the time, not when it's in vogue. >That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling. Trolling is nowhere in the list of things that "allow this to happen". Capitalism, EU immigration policies, hypocrisy, exploitation, and other things are.
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stale2002 7y ago
> using machine guns to kill people who are trying to legally migrate to your country. To make those statements is to wage a weapon of war and to do it online and on TV en masse is a new kind of trolling that is physically dangerous. Nobody is doing any of this and I am perfectly happy to dismiss such ridiculous claims. This is not real. This is not physical. Nobody is machine gunning down people at the mexico border. You you are the one who is engaging in trolling and lies by spreading such a message around.

coldtea 7y ago

>Let me be clear, then. The United States is committing a genocide against minorities as we speak and it is enabled and emboldened by "trolls". This is not touchy-feely. The United States has committed some soft of genocide or another since the days of the Native Americans. That's not touchy feely. Crying about this or that opinion being published, or whether a coworker can make or not make a comment, or what group is the more victimized for BS offenses (where usually the crying is made white middle/upper middle class self-appointed spokepersons) is. And I'm not talking about the "children in cages" either. This is obviously not a kind of "touchy feely" issue. Plus, the "children in cages" has been going on since forever one way or another. My people were hunted by the KKK back in the 20s and 30s for not being white enough. I've written (in other places) about the Mexican immigrants fueling the California agricultural sector, and how they're exploited and sent away when bosses are done with them (eg. the strawberry picking business). Even the Wall is nothing new, there has been a wall, beatings, and killings at the border well before Trump. Now it's just fashionable to speak against it (because Trump), whereas under Obama 2 million could be deported and it was OK (and it didn't involve as many children imprisoned, so late night talk shows didn't feel the need to cover it). Still, I'm not an American myself. But the hypocrisy is strong, as if all those "good souls" care about the "children in cages". There are "children in cages" all over Europe, in camps for immigrants (where they're not allowed to leave): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/life-in-italy-migrant-camps-a-photo-essay https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/oct/10/life-in-italy-... >Your ..... dismissal of the problems of youth....and use of .... to not finish...sentences makes it difficult to understand your point. You could replace "..." with "." in my comment, and nothing would change of its point. Instead you've chose to point an inconsequential stylistic issue, and exaggerate it to death. Let's make my point even clearer: aside from general economic prospects (college debt and so on), there are no serious "problems of youth" in 2019 in the USA in the white middle/upper middle-class population that cries about being "traumatized" the most. It literally never had been better trauma-wise, today when people cry the most about it, for anything and everything. And I don't expect you to agree with this assessment. That's my opinion, it's a free universe.

marstomorrow 7y ago
> Crying about this or that opinion being published, I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. I honestly think such people do not exist. Can you cite any? This is surely not the cultural phenomenon you make it out to be. > Plus, the "children in cages" has been going on since forever one way or another. Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Are you suggesting that nobody should protest children being put in cages, simply because it has happened before? I don't understand. Since it has happened before, and it's awful, and it's happening again right now, don't you think we should stand up and stay that it should be stopped? > Even the Wall is nothing new, there has been a wall, beatings, and killings at the border well before Trump. Again, just because something isn't new doesn't have any bearing on it being bad or not. In fact I think it emphasizes how important these issues are. They persist and we must fight against them fully. > Now it's just fashionable to speak against it (because Trump), whereas under Obama 2 million could be deported and it was OK (and it didn't involve as many children imprisoned, so late night talk shows didn't feel the need to cover it) What are you talking about? Putting children in cages, family removals, etc of legal immigrants is completely different from deportations of illegal immigrants. Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. > There are "children in cages" all over Europe, in camps for immigrants (where they're not allowed to leave) That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling.
- coldtea 7y ago
  >I have absolutely never once in my life seen someone cry over an opinion being published. Well, I've seen then cry, demand it's unpublished, demand the person writing it is fired, and so on. >I have, however, seen hundreds of people complain about others 'crying', or 'literally shaking' but I have never seen it once happen and I have been looking. Well, perhaps not looking unbiased enough. >Something happening in the past does not make it okay to happen today. Which I didn't say in the first place. My point is that as an old thing this is not related to the recent touchy-feely behavior I spoke against. (Nor of course are the people kept in cages, or the people who complain about them, are complaining about touchy feely issues). >Are you suggesting nobody should speak out against these atrocities or try to avoid them happening in the first place, simply because they have happened before? I don't get it. No, there are two threads here: 1) tons of younger people today complain about touchy feely issues, and 2) most younger people complain about these serious issues only when it becomes fashionable (e.g. now under Trump or previously under Bush, not before under Obama or Clinton). I argue that (1) the touchy feely issues should be dropped, and (2) the important issues should be complained all the time, not when it's in vogue. >That sounds awful. Everyone should be protesting this everywhere. Everyone should aim to avoid the circumstances that allow this to happen: chief among them is trolling. Trolling is nowhere in the list of things that "allow this to happen". Capitalism, EU immigration policies, hypocrisy, exploitation, and other things are.

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stale2002 7y ago

> using machine guns to kill people who are trying to legally migrate to your country. To make those statements is to wage a weapon of war and to do it online and on TV en masse is a new kind of trolling that is physically dangerous. Nobody is doing any of this and I am perfectly happy to dismiss such ridiculous claims. This is not real. This is not physical. Nobody is machine gunning down people at the mexico border. You you are the one who is engaging in trolling and lies by spreading such a message around.