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> The fact that there should be no judgement or we should not think we would do different does not detract that people might have to get drilled into them not t

> The fact that there should be no judgement or we should not think we would do different does not detract that people might have to get drilled into them not to follow some particular behavior. > I wish there were no speeding laws and tickets I understand what you’re saying, and as a driver and frequent flier, appreciate both points. Unfortunately, the reality is in absolute numbers: There are large numbers of people speeding daily, and large numbers of people dying on the roads daily, globally. There are orders of magnitude fewer numbers of people flying on planes that perform emergency disembarking events, and more orders of magnitude fewer people dying in these instances. Given the frequency of reminders getting drilled into drivers that speed kills, who continue to speed frequently, how frequent would reminders to not grab possessions in an emergency situation actually have to be in order to be effective? The base premise of the point to not judge is that in an emergency situation, some people are acting on instinct. Meanwhile people who speed are more often making a conscious decision to do so based on their own view of road conditions.

seymore_12 7y ago
Indeed some people are acting on instinct. Airlines know this all too well, and yet, to unfasten a seat belt on the airplane you have to pull, while to unfasten car seat belt you have to push. In an emergency situation, fair amount of people will fallback to their instinct to push to unfasten and loose precious seconds.
gist 7y ago
The main idea is law and punishment not just reminders. And the punishment needs to be done in a way that people take notice not slap on the wrist (because in some cases that can and would backfire). If it's important (and it is) it's important to insure a big enough punishment (at the discretion of a judge) to make people completely not even think of doing it.
- oarsinsync 7y ago
  > it's important to insure a big enough punishment (at the discretion of a judge) to make people completely not even think of doing it So what punishment would keep people from speeding? The best I can think of that would be effective on me would be to immediately suspend my license for some period of time, and potentially immediately impound my vehicle too. Maybe 1 week per % caught over the speed limit? The current system doesn't stop me speeding (as demonstrated earlier today) when there's a nice big gap between me and the car in front. Plus I'm gonna learn those repercussions faster than my car's going after that's impacted me, anyone I know, or even seen on the news that it's actually being enforced. It's in my interests to now learn this and stop misbehaving, as it's something that impacts my day to day life. Meanwhile, how do you now find a way to educate people about a punishment that has a tiny percentage chance of being relevant to them twice a year? And how do you hold it up in court, when the entire defence is then predicated on "they weren't thinking, it wasn't a conscious decision, they were in a state of fear?"

seymore_12 7y ago

Indeed some people are acting on instinct. Airlines know this all too well, and yet, to unfasten a seat belt on the airplane you have to pull, while to unfasten car seat belt you have to push. In an emergency situation, fair amount of people will fallback to their instinct to push to unfasten and loose precious seconds.

gist 7y ago

The main idea is law and punishment not just reminders. And the punishment needs to be done in a way that people take notice not slap on the wrist (because in some cases that can and would backfire). If it's important (and it is) it's important to insure a big enough punishment (at the discretion of a judge) to make people completely not even think of doing it.

oarsinsync 7y ago
> it's important to insure a big enough punishment (at the discretion of a judge) to make people completely not even think of doing it So what punishment would keep people from speeding? The best I can think of that would be effective on me would be to immediately suspend my license for some period of time, and potentially immediately impound my vehicle too. Maybe 1 week per % caught over the speed limit? The current system doesn't stop me speeding (as demonstrated earlier today) when there's a nice big gap between me and the car in front. Plus I'm gonna learn those repercussions faster than my car's going after that's impacted me, anyone I know, or even seen on the news that it's actually being enforced. It's in my interests to now learn this and stop misbehaving, as it's something that impacts my day to day life. Meanwhile, how do you now find a way to educate people about a punishment that has a tiny percentage chance of being relevant to them twice a year? And how do you hold it up in court, when the entire defence is then predicated on "they weren't thinking, it wasn't a conscious decision, they were in a state of fear?"