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I'm not totally embedded in the motorcycle lifestyle enough to give you a well written detail into the reasoning but I have been exposed to a lot of riders. I'

I'm not totally embedded in the motorcycle lifestyle enough to give you a well written detail into the reasoning but I have been exposed to a lot of riders. I'll say this. In numerous cases, loud motorcyclists do it for their SAFETY. Most motorists don't pay attention to a small vehicle, especially if it were quiet. Most motorists are listening to music or something else, so the road doesn't have their utmost attention. The LOUDness of their motorcycle jolts the unattended motorists that a tiny vehicle is nearby. As for the excessively loud, etc, that's above my understanding. Finally, your biggest defense against loud motorists (in your home) is double drywalled and good insulation in your home. It will become a lot quieter and you'll have energy efficiencies by doing so.

colanderman 7y ago
I have never bought this argument. Motorcycle pipes point backward. On the highway, you can't really hear them until they have passed you and are thus already in your field of vision. If the point is to alert drivers that you are on their blind spot, why not direct the sound forward?
- heimatau 7y ago
  Direction of the pipe might be more efficient on that front but it doesn't mitigate that it DOES help. I can hear cars behind me that are loud and their loud mufflers are pointing back too. You might never have 'bought' the argument but direction of the pipe doesn't take away from the fact that MOST people DO hear them as they begin to pass you. Except when they zip through going illegal mph. That's something that...baffles me. Why zip through WITH loud mufflers. They don't seem to be too bright but...fate comes for those cyclists fairly quickly.
rhinoceraptor 7y ago
Motorcycles are just straight up dangerous, loud pipes aren't going to change that. Even if every single car on the road was self driving, it would still be dangerous. If you want to become an organ donor, then go ahead. But you can't make everyone else deal with the externalities of your choice.
- heimatau 7y ago
  Risk doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's not black/white. Loud pipes do help. Your minimizing of it doesn't negate that truth. As for self-driving etc, ummm that's a bit off tangent. This is a discussion about noise pollution with an emphasis on motorcycle and the rationale to it.
inflatableDodo 7y ago
>loud motorcyclists do it for their SAFETY. I love it when someone who deliberately has a loud motorbike insists it has to be loud for safety reasons. I have met a few people who have claimed this. It always appears to be the only thing they do for safety reasons, the rest of their lives being a messy blur of insanely risky life decisions.
- heimatau 7y ago
  > It always appears to be the only thing they do for safety reasons, the rest of their lives being a messy blur of insanely risky life decisions They don't wear chaps. Nor helmets. Nor anything else for safety. But let's reduce the argument only to your perception of this issue. /s Come on. Let's be more rational than this. Yes, motorcyclists are risky. Yes they do numerous risky things. But everything we (a more general claim) do is on a gradient. It's on a sliding scale. Let's stop reducing this issue to 'loud noises don't help much. Nor has anyone, that I met claimed this. They are reckless people'.
  - inflatableDodo 7y ago
    I am not saying that motorcyclists in general are reckless people. I am saying that all the motorcyclists I know who have tried to claim that they have a loud motorbike for safety reasons are at the reckless end of the spectrum, regarding the motorcyclists that I know. And I find this contrast pretty funny. To the extent that I have had to previously explain why I am giggling to someone who looks like they could rip off my head with one hand. After pointing out the bare arms and jeans that they often ride in, they admitted I had a point, said they actually just like loud noises and started giggling too, thankfully.
    - heimatau 7y ago
      I'm glad that you notice the spectrum of motives/rationale to the loud mufflers.
      - inflatableDodo 7y ago

colanderman 7y ago

I have never bought this argument. Motorcycle pipes point backward. On the highway, you can't really hear them until they have passed you and are thus already in your field of vision. If the point is to alert drivers that you are on their blind spot, why not direct the sound forward?

heimatau 7y ago
Direction of the pipe might be more efficient on that front but it doesn't mitigate that it DOES help. I can hear cars behind me that are loud and their loud mufflers are pointing back too. You might never have 'bought' the argument but direction of the pipe doesn't take away from the fact that MOST people DO hear them as they begin to pass you. Except when they zip through going illegal mph. That's something that...baffles me. Why zip through WITH loud mufflers. They don't seem to be too bright but...fate comes for those cyclists fairly quickly.

rhinoceraptor 7y ago

Motorcycles are just straight up dangerous, loud pipes aren't going to change that. Even if every single car on the road was self driving, it would still be dangerous. If you want to become an organ donor, then go ahead. But you can't make everyone else deal with the externalities of your choice.

heimatau 7y ago
Risk doesn't exist in a vacuum. It's not black/white. Loud pipes do help. Your minimizing of it doesn't negate that truth. As for self-driving etc, ummm that's a bit off tangent. This is a discussion about noise pollution with an emphasis on motorcycle and the rationale to it.

inflatableDodo 7y ago

>loud motorcyclists do it for their SAFETY. I love it when someone who deliberately has a loud motorbike insists it has to be loud for safety reasons. I have met a few people who have claimed this. It always appears to be the only thing they do for safety reasons, the rest of their lives being a messy blur of insanely risky life decisions.

heimatau 7y ago
> It always appears to be the only thing they do for safety reasons, the rest of their lives being a messy blur of insanely risky life decisions They don't wear chaps. Nor helmets. Nor anything else for safety. But let's reduce the argument only to your perception of this issue. /s Come on. Let's be more rational than this. Yes, motorcyclists are risky. Yes they do numerous risky things. But everything we (a more general claim) do is on a gradient. It's on a sliding scale. Let's stop reducing this issue to 'loud noises don't help much. Nor has anyone, that I met claimed this. They are reckless people'.
- inflatableDodo 7y ago
  I am not saying that motorcyclists in general are reckless people. I am saying that all the motorcyclists I know who have tried to claim that they have a loud motorbike for safety reasons are at the reckless end of the spectrum, regarding the motorcyclists that I know. And I find this contrast pretty funny. To the extent that I have had to previously explain why I am giggling to someone who looks like they could rip off my head with one hand. After pointing out the bare arms and jeans that they often ride in, they admitted I had a point, said they actually just like loud noises and started giggling too, thankfully.
  - heimatau 7y ago
    I'm glad that you notice the spectrum of motives/rationale to the loud mufflers.
    - inflatableDodo 7y ago