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It's not Instagram's problem, nor should it be made to be. Apple could certainly do more to facilitate MDM, but a phone known for letting your parents track yo

It's not Instagram's problem, nor should it be made to be. Apple could certainly do more to facilitate MDM, but a phone known for letting your parents track your GPS and MITM your communications would not prove popular with the kids. In the end the parents are the ones provisioning the device, paying the phone bill and are ultimately responsible for both it and its user...yet they have no administrative privileges over anything of relevance. By all logic children should never be given access to fully-encrypted black boxes.

bschelsea 8y ago
Instagram is enabling destructive behavior hurting society, how is this NOT their problem. Sure legally maybe not but how about ethically. Unless of course if ethics cannot be codified as a crypto smart contract they don’t matter.
danaris 8y ago
Giving parents unfettered ability to violate their children's privacy does not serve the children's interests. Many parents are abusive. Many children are discovering a sexuality or identity that their parents would find unacceptable. In these cases, and many more, ensuring that the parents can read every single message their children send—and every single website they access—is much more likely to lead to serious negative outcomes for the children (at best, a repressed identity; at worst, suicide due to having one's self rejected by one's parents).
- paulryanrogers 8y ago
  Would such abusive parents get their child a private phone knowing it limits their power over the child? Maybe privacy-respecting tech is one of many solutions to bad parenting. Though I suspect getting to know ones neighbors well would be a far more effective first step.
  - danaris 7y ago
    Many parents are only abusive some of the time. As I understand it, the scenario of abusive some of the time, lavishing with gifts some of the time is actually not that uncommon. Also, if most or all phones respect the child's privacy, it becomes harder for the parents to get their child a phone that lets them micromanage the child's life.
- jstarfish 7y ago
  Many children are also abusive. It doesn't serve their interests either if in their search for identity, they end up bullied or exploited to suicide in secret by their peers. Either way, I get what you're saying, it just sucks that FAANG reserves the right to know our children better than we ever will.
  - danaris 7y ago
    Surely just FANG. Apple is explicitly working to preserve privacy, and has no interest in collecting databases full of information on either us or our children. Indeed, they allow limited parental restrictions on phone use that do not, if I understand correctly, let the parents see and control everything the child can access—rather, it simply restricts what apps they can use, possibly some limits on websites(?), and how much they can use their phone during set parts of the day. A reasonable compromise for most, I would guess. And they do make one of the more popular types of phone...

bschelsea 8y ago

Instagram is enabling destructive behavior hurting society, how is this NOT their problem. Sure legally maybe not but how about ethically. Unless of course if ethics cannot be codified as a crypto smart contract they don’t matter.

danaris 8y ago

Giving parents unfettered ability to violate their children's privacy does not serve the children's interests. Many parents are abusive. Many children are discovering a sexuality or identity that their parents would find unacceptable. In these cases, and many more, ensuring that the parents can read every single message their children send—and every single website they access—is much more likely to lead to serious negative outcomes for the children (at best, a repressed identity; at worst, suicide due to having one's self rejected by one's parents).

paulryanrogers 8y ago
Would such abusive parents get their child a private phone knowing it limits their power over the child? Maybe privacy-respecting tech is one of many solutions to bad parenting. Though I suspect getting to know ones neighbors well would be a far more effective first step.
- danaris 7y ago
  Many parents are only abusive some of the time. As I understand it, the scenario of abusive some of the time, lavishing with gifts some of the time is actually not that uncommon. Also, if most or all phones respect the child's privacy, it becomes harder for the parents to get their child a phone that lets them micromanage the child's life.
jstarfish 7y ago
Many children are also abusive. It doesn't serve their interests either if in their search for identity, they end up bullied or exploited to suicide in secret by their peers. Either way, I get what you're saying, it just sucks that FAANG reserves the right to know our children better than we ever will.
- danaris 7y ago
  Surely just FANG. Apple is explicitly working to preserve privacy, and has no interest in collecting databases full of information on either us or our children. Indeed, they allow limited parental restrictions on phone use that do not, if I understand correctly, let the parents see and control everything the child can access—rather, it simply restricts what apps they can use, possibly some limits on websites(?), and how much they can use their phone during set parts of the day. A reasonable compromise for most, I would guess. And they do make one of the more popular types of phone...