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> If you were paid to work on this, you are either wilfully ignorant or morally corrupt. I'm not a fan of AMP, but this is way over the top.

blub 7y ago
No, why would it be? All those people working for Facebook, Google all the other companies abusing our privacy are making a ton of money and we're all paying the costs. Why should we tolerate that? They are worthy of contempt.
- jimmaswell 7y ago
  It's totally unreasonable to expect people to uproot their lives to protest web services that don't even honestly do anything that bad. Are you certain your company never does anything questionable? You better quit and go live on a commune just to be safe.
  - blub 7y ago
    If a company's expecting to be fined 5 billion dollars, it's pretty certain that it did something bad. And I don't think that one would have to uproot their lives, just quit and find another job. I hear there's a very strong market for FAANG engineers...
- izacus 7y ago
  There are people on this very website who have vehemently defended software that decides whether some person needs to be killed with a missile from a drone. That have defended and encouraged companies like Google to help military kill foreigners, countrymen and countrywomen of many people visiting this site. And AMP, a restricted web standard, is that's "worth of contempt"? Please, please, take a step back and think of it for a moment.
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    How much overlap do you think there is between the two groups you mentioned?
  - ionised 7y ago
    It's possible to address more than one injustice at a time.
neilv 7y ago
Agreed, I wouldn't single out this move or people, for harsh criticism that should be spread much more widely. In the context of everything that's been happening with the Web, this move is relatively minor, and you can easily imagine a rationale for it (which involves an implicit "we're the good guys, so it's OK"). Our industry has been an amped-up (ha) sociopathic echo chamber for too long, and there's no longer much reference points for earlier Internet and Web visions of what's good and appropriate. I think Google's founders had some sense of the earlier ideas, and that's where we originally got things like fair objective rankings, and Don't Be Evil.

blub 7y ago

No, why would it be? All those people working for Facebook, Google all the other companies abusing our privacy are making a ton of money and we're all paying the costs. Why should we tolerate that? They are worthy of contempt.

jimmaswell 7y ago
It's totally unreasonable to expect people to uproot their lives to protest web services that don't even honestly do anything that bad. Are you certain your company never does anything questionable? You better quit and go live on a commune just to be safe.
- blub 7y ago
  If a company's expecting to be fined 5 billion dollars, it's pretty certain that it did something bad. And I don't think that one would have to uproot their lives, just quit and find another job. I hear there's a very strong market for FAANG engineers...
izacus 7y ago
There are people on this very website who have vehemently defended software that decides whether some person needs to be killed with a missile from a drone. That have defended and encouraged companies like Google to help military kill foreigners, countrymen and countrywomen of many people visiting this site. And AMP, a restricted web standard, is that's "worth of contempt"? Please, please, take a step back and think of it for a moment.
- saagarjha 7y ago
  How much overlap do you think there is between the two groups you mentioned?
- ionised 7y ago
  It's possible to address more than one injustice at a time.

neilv 7y ago

Agreed, I wouldn't single out this move or people, for harsh criticism that should be spread much more widely. In the context of everything that's been happening with the Web, this move is relatively minor, and you can easily imagine a rationale for it (which involves an implicit "we're the good guys, so it's OK"). Our industry has been an amped-up (ha) sociopathic echo chamber for too long, and there's no longer much reference points for earlier Internet and Web visions of what's good and appropriate. I think Google's founders had some sense of the earlier ideas, and that's where we originally got things like fair objective rankings, and Don't Be Evil.