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I mostly agree, but I think the movie romanticized the end of institutionalization, making us believe we've progressed "beyond" it, when we merely have people s

by jquery 7y ago

I mostly agree, but I think the movie romanticized the end of institutionalization, making us believe we've progressed "beyond" it, when we merely have people screaming on street corners and sleeping in the gutter. Institutionalization should've been reformed, not all but eliminated (I know it still exists, but only for the most extreme cases).

flensortow 7y ago
If someone is not a threat to themselves or others, but has strange beliefs and behaviors, should we really take their freedom away just because we don’t think they are taking care of themselves adequately or we don’t like the sight/sound of them? As someone with bipolar disorder (very stable since diagnosis and medication) I’m always a bit dismayed when people call for locking ill people up “for their own good.” (Not that you’re necessarily saying that - it’s just something I do see people advocating for sometimes). I’m in SF and previously lived Tenderloin-adjacent so I’m quite familiar with the unfortunate cycle of mental illness and drug/alcohol abuse from self-medicating. It’s not a pretty sight and I do think we should do everything we can to help these most vulnerable people in society. I’m just not sure taking their liberty is necessarily the best course of action.
- scardine 7y ago
  This. I'm fortunate enough to be considered only "eccentric" as most people are willing to forgive my weirdness in exchange for other useful personality traits. Not everybody is that lucky.
- harimau777 7y ago
  I think that society probably has the right to enforce basic social norms so I think it is reasonable to for society to intervene if someone is being threatening or violating basic norms (e.g. by defecating in the middle of the sidewalk). Both of which are common in the Tenderloin. The problem that I see is: what options are available other than violating their freedom by forcing them to undergo treatment or locking them up? You can't, for example, fine someone who doesn't have anything. Besides, I think its unlikely that punishment would accomplish anything So I guess I'm not sure I see a good solution to the problem.
scardine 7y ago
Well, the support network is far from perfect - having a 5yo son in the autistic spectrum I experience this first hand. Not too long ago my kid would be segregated to a "special" school and I'm glad he is able to attend a regular school although he still needs a dedicated tutor. Do you think weird people that do not endanger their own life or the life of others should be locked away?
- jquery 7y ago
  There’s a sizeable gap between “weird people” and defecating/shooting heroin on community sidewalks and public transit. I’m referring mostly to the latter.
thatoneuser 7y ago
We've absolutely progressed beyond lobotomies, caregivers raping or assaulting patients (...more so anyway), and in general lifelong imprisonment in sub human conditions. No were not all the way where we need to be but we're miles ahead of where we were.

by jquery 7y ago

flensortow 7y ago

If someone is not a threat to themselves or others, but has strange beliefs and behaviors, should we really take their freedom away just because we don’t think they are taking care of themselves adequately or we don’t like the sight/sound of them? As someone with bipolar disorder (very stable since diagnosis and medication) I’m always a bit dismayed when people call for locking ill people up “for their own good.” (Not that you’re necessarily saying that - it’s just something I do see people advocating for sometimes). I’m in SF and previously lived Tenderloin-adjacent so I’m quite familiar with the unfortunate cycle of mental illness and drug/alcohol abuse from self-medicating. It’s not a pretty sight and I do think we should do everything we can to help these most vulnerable people in society. I’m just not sure taking their liberty is necessarily the best course of action.

scardine 7y ago
This. I'm fortunate enough to be considered only "eccentric" as most people are willing to forgive my weirdness in exchange for other useful personality traits. Not everybody is that lucky.
harimau777 7y ago
I think that society probably has the right to enforce basic social norms so I think it is reasonable to for society to intervene if someone is being threatening or violating basic norms (e.g. by defecating in the middle of the sidewalk). Both of which are common in the Tenderloin. The problem that I see is: what options are available other than violating their freedom by forcing them to undergo treatment or locking them up? You can't, for example, fine someone who doesn't have anything. Besides, I think its unlikely that punishment would accomplish anything So I guess I'm not sure I see a good solution to the problem.

scardine 7y ago

Well, the support network is far from perfect - having a 5yo son in the autistic spectrum I experience this first hand. Not too long ago my kid would be segregated to a "special" school and I'm glad he is able to attend a regular school although he still needs a dedicated tutor. Do you think weird people that do not endanger their own life or the life of others should be locked away?

jquery 7y ago
There’s a sizeable gap between “weird people” and defecating/shooting heroin on community sidewalks and public transit. I’m referring mostly to the latter.

thatoneuser 7y ago

We've absolutely progressed beyond lobotomies, caregivers raping or assaulting patients (...more so anyway), and in general lifelong imprisonment in sub human conditions. No were not all the way where we need to be but we're miles ahead of where we were.