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"a hammer" you mean Electron and it's full scale browser, right? "I wouldn't get stuck on thinking there is no other way" There is a way, named "Dear ImGUI",

"a hammer" you mean Electron and it's full scale browser, right? "I wouldn't get stuck on thinking there is no other way" There is a way, named "Dear ImGUI", that does not use DOM structure but rather recreates its on each paint event.

BubRoss 7y ago
You need to focus, no one is talking about electron. It's in its own world of nonsense. > There is a way, named "Dear ImGUI" I'm not talking about immediate GUIs (and they use a heirarchy for layout too of course). You put some example c++ and said every GUI has that same structure, which isn't necessarily true. A heirarchy doesn't have to be implemented with a tree of pointers. I'm not saying these things can't work, but saying 'this is how it must be done' is just not true.
- c-smile 7y ago
  > every GUI has that same structure, which isn't necessarily true I'd insist on EVERY here. Container holds list of children. Child holds reference to parent - typical tree implementation. If you have in mind something else - please show.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    You showed a few lines of C++. Even for heirarchy,this doesn't need to be a tree of pointers. It's not so bad if it is, but data can be represented as tables or arrays of attributes. Really in a ui the layout is about dependencies and doesn't strictly have to be hierarchy. It's not all that important, just saying that everything must be done in a certain way is ridiculous.
    - c-smile 7y ago
      You can do inside whatever you want but you shall provide an API similar to these two functions: HWND GetParent(HWND child) and EnumChildWindows(HWND parent, callback). Once again: IAccessibility mandates tree organization of your UI. You can do whatever you want but your UI framework MUST expose UI structure as a tree.
      - BubRoss 7y ago
        This is just moving the goal posts. First you said every GUI needs a markup language, then a specific pointer tree internal structure, now accessibility and specific exposed API.
- jcelerier 7y ago
  But it is though. If you need to have accessibility support in your GUI, all the native accessibility APIs are based on trees so you're going to have to create that tree one way or another.

BubRoss 7y ago

You need to focus, no one is talking about electron. It's in its own world of nonsense. > There is a way, named "Dear ImGUI" I'm not talking about immediate GUIs (and they use a heirarchy for layout too of course). You put some example c++ and said every GUI has that same structure, which isn't necessarily true. A heirarchy doesn't have to be implemented with a tree of pointers. I'm not saying these things can't work, but saying 'this is how it must be done' is just not true.

c-smile 7y ago
> every GUI has that same structure, which isn't necessarily true I'd insist on EVERY here. Container holds list of children. Child holds reference to parent - typical tree implementation. If you have in mind something else - please show.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  You showed a few lines of C++. Even for heirarchy,this doesn't need to be a tree of pointers. It's not so bad if it is, but data can be represented as tables or arrays of attributes. Really in a ui the layout is about dependencies and doesn't strictly have to be hierarchy. It's not all that important, just saying that everything must be done in a certain way is ridiculous.
  - c-smile 7y ago
    You can do inside whatever you want but you shall provide an API similar to these two functions: HWND GetParent(HWND child) and EnumChildWindows(HWND parent, callback). Once again: IAccessibility mandates tree organization of your UI. You can do whatever you want but your UI framework MUST expose UI structure as a tree.
    - BubRoss 7y ago
      This is just moving the goal posts. First you said every GUI needs a markup language, then a specific pointer tree internal structure, now accessibility and specific exposed API.
jcelerier 7y ago
But it is though. If you need to have accessibility support in your GUI, all the native accessibility APIs are based on trees so you're going to have to create that tree one way or another.