I think a lot of the confusion stems from the fact that both scientists and engineers use lots of (often somewhat esoteric) math. This places us firmly on the m

I think a lot of the confusion stems from the fact that both scientists and engineers use lots of (often somewhat esoteric) math. This places us firmly on the math (science and engineering) side of the occupational divide, as opposed to the non-math (law, medicine, everything else) side.