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At least in the conservative community where I grew up, the religious "mark-of-the-beast/new world order" narrative was the main anti-national ID narrative. I'd

At least in the conservative community where I grew up, the religious "mark-of-the-beast/new world order" narrative was the main anti-national ID narrative. I'd never heard the illegal immigrant angle before.

MiddleEndian 7y ago
It's not a real thing. Nobody is pro voter fraud. Nobody is in favor of non US citizens voting in US elections. They are against voter disinfranchisement. The problem is that the IDs can be made harder for some to get than others. See momocasa's post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19879722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19879722
- maxerickson 7y ago
  I think there probably are people that want to enfranchise mere residents. It doesn't seem to be catastrophic for New Zealand, for instance. There's a strong argument to be made that people participating in the economy and other parts of civic life deserve to have a voice in politics. It's convenient and popular to exclude them, that doesn't make it just. (I phrase my first paragraph the way I do because I haven't thought about it much and don't have a real clear opinion 'bout it)
  - MiddleEndian 7y ago
    I'm sure there are some, perhaps I was too colloquial when I said nobody, but there is no widespread movement to give non-citizens the ability to vote in US elections. My main point is that opposition to voter ID wouldn't have much to do with that because that's not how voter registration works in the US. The post I had responded to was a mischaracterization of the reasons people are opposed to voter IDs. On the topic of residents voting, a city near me had a policy+budget allocation vote that allowed anyone who lived there and was over 13. My opinion on that is that I think that's pretty neat at a city level, but I don't think it makes sense to allow non citizens to vote in a federal election.

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At least in the conservative community where I grew up, the religious "mark-of-the-beast/new world order" narrative was the main anti-national ID narrative. I'd

by packet_nerd 7y ago

MiddleEndian 7y ago
It's not a real thing. Nobody is pro voter fraud. Nobody is in favor of non US citizens voting in US elections. They are against voter disinfranchisement. The problem is that the IDs can be made harder for some to get than others. See momocasa's post here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19879722 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19879722
- maxerickson 7y ago
  I think there probably are people that want to enfranchise mere residents. It doesn't seem to be catastrophic for New Zealand, for instance. There's a strong argument to be made that people participating in the economy and other parts of civic life deserve to have a voice in politics. It's convenient and popular to exclude them, that doesn't make it just. (I phrase my first paragraph the way I do because I haven't thought about it much and don't have a real clear opinion 'bout it)
  - MiddleEndian 7y ago
    I'm sure there are some, perhaps I was too colloquial when I said nobody, but there is no widespread movement to give non-citizens the ability to vote in US elections. My main point is that opposition to voter ID wouldn't have much to do with that because that's not how voter registration works in the US. The post I had responded to was a mischaracterization of the reasons people are opposed to voter IDs. On the topic of residents voting, a city near me had a policy+budget allocation vote that allowed anyone who lived there and was over 13. My opinion on that is that I think that's pretty neat at a city level, but I don't think it makes sense to allow non citizens to vote in a federal election.