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> But you could design one with a manual fallback option. Doesn't seem foundational to me. Nothing about an IoT design prevents one from doing that. Certainly

by JadeNB 8y ago

> But you could design one with a manual fallback option. Doesn't seem foundational to me. Nothing about an IoT design prevents one from doing that. Certainly I could (or at least someone with the engineering skills could), but the actual IoT companies don't. My impression of IoT devices (do not want) is based on what actually exists, not on what could theoretically exist.

la_barba 8y ago
>Certainly I could (or at least someone with the engineering skills could), but the actual IoT companies don't. That is incorrect. There are several IoT products with manual fallback options on the market. I don't even know why you're disagreeing to be honest. You don't like IoT devices, I got that part.
- TeMPOraL 8y ago
  > There are several IoT products with manual fallback options on the market. Name three. Also, "manual fallback" is a cop-out. When I want manual operations, I don't go looking for home automation. The "smart" features should be available without Internet. There's nothing technically difficult about this, but it isn't being done because of abusive business practices.
  - la_barba 8y ago
    If you don't want an internet enabled device, then you are looking in the wrong place. The I in IoT stands for internet.
    - xg15 8y ago
      This is the crazy thing. IoT is actually advertising with a requirement, not a feature. Since when has "needs internet access to function" become a selling point?
      - la_barba 8y ago
        >Since when has "needs internet access to function" become a selling point? That is a good question. I don't know. But I'd say it became a selling point after the internet became ubiquitous and reliable enough in the eyes of consumers. Otherwise people would be complaining about 'needs internet access to watch a movie/make a video call/play a game/push source code/order food/call a taxi/etc/etc/etc".
    - jameskegel 8y ago
      That’s the point here though isn’t it? I don’t want the internet involved with turning the lights on when I have to get up at night.
      - la_barba 8y ago
        I don't want the internet involved either, so we agree on that. Can we also agree that some people want internet enabled devices?

by JadeNB 8y ago

la_barba 8y ago

>Certainly I could (or at least someone with the engineering skills could), but the actual IoT companies don't. That is incorrect. There are several IoT products with manual fallback options on the market. I don't even know why you're disagreeing to be honest. You don't like IoT devices, I got that part.

TeMPOraL 8y ago
> There are several IoT products with manual fallback options on the market. Name three. Also, "manual fallback" is a cop-out. When I want manual operations, I don't go looking for home automation. The "smart" features should be available without Internet. There's nothing technically difficult about this, but it isn't being done because of abusive business practices.
- la_barba 8y ago
  If you don't want an internet enabled device, then you are looking in the wrong place. The I in IoT stands for internet.
  - xg15 8y ago
    This is the crazy thing. IoT is actually advertising with a requirement, not a feature. Since when has "needs internet access to function" become a selling point?
    - la_barba 8y ago
      >Since when has "needs internet access to function" become a selling point? That is a good question. I don't know. But I'd say it became a selling point after the internet became ubiquitous and reliable enough in the eyes of consumers. Otherwise people would be complaining about 'needs internet access to watch a movie/make a video call/play a game/push source code/order food/call a taxi/etc/etc/etc".
  - jameskegel 8y ago
    That’s the point here though isn’t it? I don’t want the internet involved with turning the lights on when I have to get up at night.
    - la_barba 8y ago
      I don't want the internet involved either, so we agree on that. Can we also agree that some people want internet enabled devices?