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I don't have a smart home device and I won't buy it in a few years. And the simple reason is that there is no regulation for bad behavior. These companies keep

I don't have a smart home device and I won't buy it in a few years. And the simple reason is that there is no regulation for bad behavior. These companies keep getting away with massive privacy violations. We can dig into the big companies but at this time, that point has been beaten to death. When there is better regulation and the software engineers are being jailed for violations of privacy, I will trust the system and buy it. Until then, I simply don't trust it. And won't buy it. I don't hate the lights. It's great innovation. I am amused at the fact that you can turn off your ac from work in case you forgot. But privacy. Privacy is becoming a bigger and bigger issue. And I'd like it to be addressed before I let the companies run my data on aws.

mixmastamyk 7y ago
s/software engineers/management team/
- iscrewyou 7y ago
  Anybody. Who ever makes those negligent decisions that compromise systems.
- greenyoda 7y ago
  As a software engineer, I don't software engineers should be immune from prosecution if they knowingly violate laws. Your manager telling you to do something (even under threat of firing) is not an excuse if you know that it's illegal. For example, the guy who wrote the software for Bernie Madoff's company knew that he was helping Madoff perpetrate fraud, and ended up in prison.[1] [1] http://static7.businessinsider.com/r-ex-madoff-computer-programmer-gets-2-1/2-years-prison-for-fraud-2014-12 http://static7.businessinsider.com/r-ex-madoff-computer-prog...
  - mixmastamyk 7y ago
    Not saying they should be immune, but rather pointing the focus at decision makers. Some of them could be engineers too.
rubicon33 7y ago
> When there is better regulation and the software engineers are being jailed for violations of privacy, Just like all those bankers who were jailed after the 2008 financial crisis that wrecked the lives of millions? Gimme a break.
- iscrewyou 7y ago
  And you’ve proven my point about not trusting the companies running these devices and devices.
- nagVenkat 7y ago
  Could you please let me know which laws they have broken?
KoSS4U 7y ago
I guess you also don't have a credit report after what happened to Equifax in 2017... In the meantime, for me my Vera works just great. Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty.
- JadeNB 7y ago
  > I guess you also don't have a credit report after what happened to Equifax in 2017... Not having IoT devices is an option. Not having a credit report isn't. (I don't just mean it in the sense that it's not practical; I mean it in the sense that, as far as I know, you can't stop this data from being compiled.)
  - asdff 7y ago
    Not having a credit report is an option. Just don't live in the U.S.

mixmastamyk 7y ago

s/software engineers/management team/

iscrewyou 7y ago
Anybody. Who ever makes those negligent decisions that compromise systems.
greenyoda 7y ago
As a software engineer, I don't software engineers should be immune from prosecution if they knowingly violate laws. Your manager telling you to do something (even under threat of firing) is not an excuse if you know that it's illegal. For example, the guy who wrote the software for Bernie Madoff's company knew that he was helping Madoff perpetrate fraud, and ended up in prison.[1] [1] http://static7.businessinsider.com/r-ex-madoff-computer-programmer-gets-2-1/2-years-prison-for-fraud-2014-12 http://static7.businessinsider.com/r-ex-madoff-computer-prog...
- mixmastamyk 7y ago
  Not saying they should be immune, but rather pointing the focus at decision makers. Some of them could be engineers too.

rubicon33 7y ago

> When there is better regulation and the software engineers are being jailed for violations of privacy, Just like all those bankers who were jailed after the 2008 financial crisis that wrecked the lives of millions? Gimme a break.

iscrewyou 7y ago
And you’ve proven my point about not trusting the companies running these devices and devices.
nagVenkat 7y ago
Could you please let me know which laws they have broken?

KoSS4U 7y ago

I guess you also don't have a credit report after what happened to Equifax in 2017... In the meantime, for me my Vera works just great. Eternal Vigilance is the Price of Liberty.

JadeNB 7y ago
> I guess you also don't have a credit report after what happened to Equifax in 2017... Not having IoT devices is an option. Not having a credit report isn't. (I don't just mean it in the sense that it's not practical; I mean it in the sense that, as far as I know, you can't stop this data from being compiled.)
- asdff 7y ago
  Not having a credit report is an option. Just don't live in the U.S.