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I don't think it's very likely. Rather, it's more likely that UK citizens will have a fair degree of privilege with respect to mobility etc on the Continent vis

I don't think it's very likely. Rather, it's more likely that UK citizens will have a fair degree of privilege with respect to mobility etc on the Continent vis-a-vis arbitrary foreigners. The article is in fact loaded and a little misrepresentative, implying that somehow UK citizens won't have any rights to reside or work in the UK which is not fair. I'm not a citizen of any European country and I've lived and worked in Europe without a whole lot of trouble. Obviously, there's nuance to these issues, always lost in the fog of 'word wars'.

pjc50 7y ago
> implying that somehow UK citizens won't have any rights to reside or work in the UK which is not fair. I'm assuming that one of those is a typo? But if you think EU citizens will be entirely safe and comfortable in the UK after a hypothetical Brexit, you've not been paying attention to the "hostile environment" and the deportation of actual Brits in the Windrush fiasco.
- sonnyblarney 7y ago
  "But if you think EU citizens will be entirely safe and comfortable in the UK after a hypothetical Brexit, you've not been paying attention to the "hostile environment" and the deportation of actual Brits in the Windrush fiasco." It's a little populist and inflammatory to suggest that the UK is a 'hostile environment' for EU citizens. Literally millions of EU citizens and other naturalized immigrants from EU countries - and others around the world, live in UK, and they don't 'live in fear'. There are obviously many ambiguities, and people caught up in immigration snafus. Neither of these issues are new. As treaties are realigned (and they have been forever and will continue to evolve), citizenship status will be adjust, but neither the UK or the EU are going to start mass deportations. And to indicate an individual getting caught up in the system as evidence of much is not fair; have you considered the problems right now in Germany, Poland, Greece, Italy? Just to start the list? Sadly, even the most modern nations have loopholes in their systems and outcomes are not always just, but overall, most modern nations have lawful, well regulated and reasonable policies, for the most part.
  - pjc50 7y ago
    "Hostile environment" is literally what the policy is called by its supporters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environmen... The intention was to make the system as unreasonable as possible in order to reduce overall immigration numbers. > have you considered the problems right now in Germany, Poland, Greece, Italy? Which problems are you referring to?
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tim333 7y ago
It's hard to say how likely really. Goldman Sachs puts it at 35% for staying EU https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldmansachs/goldman-sachs-sticks-to-brexit-odds-after-parliament-fails-to-break-deadlock-idUKKCN1R90LN https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldmansachs/go...

pjc50 7y ago

> implying that somehow UK citizens won't have any rights to reside or work in the UK which is not fair. I'm assuming that one of those is a typo? But if you think EU citizens will be entirely safe and comfortable in the UK after a hypothetical Brexit, you've not been paying attention to the "hostile environment" and the deportation of actual Brits in the Windrush fiasco.

sonnyblarney 7y ago
"But if you think EU citizens will be entirely safe and comfortable in the UK after a hypothetical Brexit, you've not been paying attention to the "hostile environment" and the deportation of actual Brits in the Windrush fiasco." It's a little populist and inflammatory to suggest that the UK is a 'hostile environment' for EU citizens. Literally millions of EU citizens and other naturalized immigrants from EU countries - and others around the world, live in UK, and they don't 'live in fear'. There are obviously many ambiguities, and people caught up in immigration snafus. Neither of these issues are new. As treaties are realigned (and they have been forever and will continue to evolve), citizenship status will be adjust, but neither the UK or the EU are going to start mass deportations. And to indicate an individual getting caught up in the system as evidence of much is not fair; have you considered the problems right now in Germany, Poland, Greece, Italy? Just to start the list? Sadly, even the most modern nations have loopholes in their systems and outcomes are not always just, but overall, most modern nations have lawful, well regulated and reasonable policies, for the most part.
- pjc50 7y ago
  "Hostile environment" is literally what the policy is called by its supporters. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environment_policy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Office_hostile_environmen... The intention was to make the system as unreasonable as possible in order to reduce overall immigration numbers. > have you considered the problems right now in Germany, Poland, Greece, Italy? Which problems are you referring to?
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tim333 7y ago

It's hard to say how likely really. Goldman Sachs puts it at 35% for staying EU https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldmansachs/goldman-sachs-sticks-to-brexit-odds-after-parliament-fails-to-break-deadlock-idUKKCN1R90LN https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-goldmansachs/go...