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No it is not. You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth - instead you chose stay and

by llukas 7y ago

No it is not. You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth - instead you chose stay and whine. Too bad you cannot renounce education, healthcare etc that were also forced upon you by the state.

johnisgood 7y ago
Yeah, or I could move to Mars, I know. I, for one, am happy to not fund the bombing of innocent people through the taxes I pay. I am not sure you could say the same. :) And for the record: > Renouncing U.S. citizenship doesn't free you from U.S. tax obligations and means that even after the renunciation, the IRS could still audit and assess taxes and penalties.
- llukas 7y ago
  Exit tax and anything you owed - yes. But you no longer need to pay tax to US on your worldwide income (assuming you move out and not have US assets) like citizens do. Even on Mars there would be society that will enforce its rules on you. See a pattern here?
  - johnisgood 7y ago
    Yes, I do. There is no escape from the arms of the Government, and society != government anyway.
Mirioron 7y ago
>You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth Not without paying taxes you can't. The US government charges you $2000 to renounce your citizenship and if your assets are worth more than $2 million they will give you a massive tax bill as though you had sold all those assets. Furthermore, you can only renounce citizenship if you accept the citizenship of another country, which kind of defeats the point you're making - you can't actually exit the system legally.
- llukas 7y ago
  https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... No requirement to have another citizenship to renounce.

by llukas 7y ago

johnisgood 7y ago

Yeah, or I could move to Mars, I know. I, for one, am happy to not fund the bombing of innocent people through the taxes I pay. I am not sure you could say the same. :) And for the record: > Renouncing U.S. citizenship doesn't free you from U.S. tax obligations and means that even after the renunciation, the IRS could still audit and assess taxes and penalties.

llukas 7y ago
Exit tax and anything you owed - yes. But you no longer need to pay tax to US on your worldwide income (assuming you move out and not have US assets) like citizens do. Even on Mars there would be society that will enforce its rules on you. See a pattern here?
- johnisgood 7y ago
  Yes, I do. There is no escape from the arms of the Government, and society != government anyway.

Mirioron 7y ago

>You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth Not without paying taxes you can't. The US government charges you $2000 to renounce your citizenship and if your assets are worth more than $2 million they will give you a massive tax bill as though you had sold all those assets. Furthermore, you can only renounce citizenship if you accept the citizenship of another country, which kind of defeats the point you're making - you can't actually exit the system legally.

llukas 7y ago
https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... No requirement to have another citizenship to renounce.