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No, online shopping for the most part is a fairly unregulated market. You can't seriously make the argument that a more free market would solve this problem, be

No, online shopping for the most part is a fairly unregulated market. You can't seriously make the argument that a more free market would solve this problem, because lead poisoning is an open and shut case. There is no excuse for exposing people to lead like this. At this point, excessive amounts of lead should be seen as malice and regulated out of existence. What other excuse would there be for such phony products to be sold, other than to make a quick profit at the expensive of other's health? And no, they are not completely unrelated. This is a thread and topic about toxic school supplies having excessive amounts of lead. When people proposed regulations to fix this problem, you equated that to violence. You are directly connecting the two.

johnisgood 8y ago
Sigh. "Government stealing money from taxpayers" is what I equated to violence. Do you care to argue that it is not violent?
- llukas 8y ago
  No it is not. You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth - instead you chose stay and whine. Too bad you cannot renounce education, healthcare etc that were also forced upon you by the state.
  - johnisgood 8y ago
    Yeah, or I could move to Mars, I know. I, for one, am happy to not fund the bombing of innocent people through the taxes I pay. I am not sure you could say the same. :) And for the record: > Renouncing U.S. citizenship doesn't free you from U.S. tax obligations and means that even after the renunciation, the IRS could still audit and assess taxes and penalties.
    - llukas 8y ago
      Exit tax and anything you owed - yes. But you no longer need to pay tax to US on your worldwide income (assuming you move out and not have US assets) like citizens do. Even on Mars there would be society that will enforce its rules on you. See a pattern here?
      - johnisgood 8y ago
        Yes, I do. There is no escape from the arms of the Government, and society != government anyway.
  - Mirioron 8y ago
    >You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth Not without paying taxes you can't. The US government charges you $2000 to renounce your citizenship and if your assets are worth more than $2 million they will give you a massive tax bill as though you had sold all those assets. Furthermore, you can only renounce citizenship if you accept the citizenship of another country, which kind of defeats the point you're making - you can't actually exit the system legally.
    - llukas 8y ago
      https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... No requirement to have another citizenship to renounce.

johnisgood 8y ago

Sigh. "Government stealing money from taxpayers" is what I equated to violence. Do you care to argue that it is not violent?

llukas 8y ago
No it is not. You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth - instead you chose stay and whine. Too bad you cannot renounce education, healthcare etc that were also forced upon you by the state.
- johnisgood 8y ago
  Yeah, or I could move to Mars, I know. I, for one, am happy to not fund the bombing of innocent people through the taxes I pay. I am not sure you could say the same. :) And for the record: > Renouncing U.S. citizenship doesn't free you from U.S. tax obligations and means that even after the renunciation, the IRS could still audit and assess taxes and penalties.
  - llukas 8y ago
    Exit tax and anything you owed - yes. But you no longer need to pay tax to US on your worldwide income (assuming you move out and not have US assets) like citizens do. Even on Mars there would be society that will enforce its rules on you. See a pattern here?
    - johnisgood 8y ago
      Yes, I do. There is no escape from the arms of the Government, and society != government anyway.
- Mirioron 8y ago
  >You can renounce your US citizenship (or most other citizenships for that matter) hat was forced upon you after birth Not without paying taxes you can't. The US government charges you $2000 to renounce your citizenship and if your assets are worth more than $2 million they will give you a massive tax bill as though you had sold all those assets. Furthermore, you can only renounce citizenship if you accept the citizenship of another country, which kind of defeats the point you're making - you can't actually exit the system legally.
  - llukas 8y ago
    https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/us-citizenship/Renunciation-US-Nationality-Abroad.html https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-lega... No requirement to have another citizenship to renounce.