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yes, given that the previous president put her in prison for seven years for exposing US war crimes under the president before him, crimes which that president

yes, given that the previous president put her in prison for seven years for exposing US war crimes under the president before him, crimes which that president continued to emulate, it’s been quite a few decades since we’ve had one of those.

caconym_ 7y ago
I feel that you're being quite reductive here, but I suppose this may very well be the sum total of your beliefs on the subject. I will take the comment at face value. Anyway, you'll notice that I used the word "somewhat" to qualify "worthy of the office"; I didn't just toss that word in because it sounded cool in my head. Relevant, from Wikipedia: > On January 26, 2017, in her first column for The Guardian since the commutation, Manning lamented that President Obama's political opponents consistently refused to compromise, resulting in "very few permanent accomplishments" during his time in office. As The Guardian summarized it, she saw Obama's legacy as "a warning against not being bold enough." In response, President Donald Trump tweeted that Manning was an "ungrateful traitor" and should "never have been released."
- intuitionist 7y ago
  Bombing wedding parties and starving Yemeni children and making bad tweets is worse than just bombing wedding parties and starving Yemeni children, to be sure, but focusing on the bad tweets misses the point spectacularly.
  - caconym_ 7y ago
    "The point" being that Trump is no worse for our country, society, and the world at large than any other president before him whose decisions had (at least partially) bad outcomes? I think you're either unconsciously projecting your own narrowly black-and-white worldview onto my comments here, or being deliberately obtuse. Either way I'm done with this conversation unless your next comment is more interesting.

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yes, given that the previous president put her in prison for seven years for exposing US war crimes under the president before him, crimes which that president

by intuitionist 7y ago

caconym_ 7y ago
I feel that you're being quite reductive here, but I suppose this may very well be the sum total of your beliefs on the subject. I will take the comment at face value. Anyway, you'll notice that I used the word "somewhat" to qualify "worthy of the office"; I didn't just toss that word in because it sounded cool in my head. Relevant, from Wikipedia: > On January 26, 2017, in her first column for The Guardian since the commutation, Manning lamented that President Obama's political opponents consistently refused to compromise, resulting in "very few permanent accomplishments" during his time in office. As The Guardian summarized it, she saw Obama's legacy as "a warning against not being bold enough." In response, President Donald Trump tweeted that Manning was an "ungrateful traitor" and should "never have been released."
- intuitionist 7y ago
  Bombing wedding parties and starving Yemeni children and making bad tweets is worse than just bombing wedding parties and starving Yemeni children, to be sure, but focusing on the bad tweets misses the point spectacularly.
  - caconym_ 7y ago
    "The point" being that Trump is no worse for our country, society, and the world at large than any other president before him whose decisions had (at least partially) bad outcomes? I think you're either unconsciously projecting your own narrowly black-and-white worldview onto my comments here, or being deliberately obtuse. Either way I'm done with this conversation unless your next comment is more interesting.